France Elections: Le Pen 'steps Aside' As Party Leader

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861

[ichkeria]

Not sure how selective the "they" in France are cassa, when it comes to investigation, but I would only draw your attention to the case of Francois Fillon, M Establishment himself, who's been the subject of a lot of investigation in the campaign and probably now faces jail.
So, not sure you're onto a winner with that argument.

[jourdain2]

As an aside - just spoke to a friend in France. His French neighbour called Macron a 'gangster'! This is France Profonde. Sorry,only place I could find to say this bit of news.

[Khandro]

Could France survive with the stooge Macron as president?
Marine has said, "We cannot afford to lose this war. But for the past 10 years, Left-wing and Right-wing governments have done everything they can for us to lose it."

[Zacs-Master]

She would say that tho wouldn't she.

[Khandro]

Zacs, Do you think she is making it up?
234 people have DIED (think about it) in French terror attacks in last 18 months and enormous amount more have been injured.

[mikey4444]

Khandro....you are making assumptions about Macron, assumptions about somebody that nobody really knows.

But this bit we do know....Le Pen is the racist Leader of a Fascist Party.

[ichkeria]

Macron's problem (and it would be Le Pen's as well) is finding a Parliamentary base for his policies. Already Sarkozy has said his Republicains will work against him in parliament, whereas more moderate members of his party have said they would try to form a consensus. It's his to lose: even the frantic efforts of Fancy Bear and his Russian hackers are likely to be stuck trying to undermine his campaign. In 2002 France held its nose and voted for Chirac to keep Le Pen snr out. In 2017 France will hold its nose again - if it doesn't, it may as well cover its eyes for what follows :-)

[Khandro]

mikey you are wrong on both counts; 1st, we DO know about Macron, - not that there is much to know - he is a non-person leading a non-party and would be a seamless continuation of Hollande, the most disliked president of modern times.
2nd, She isn't a racist (your favourite put-down) she is against the destruction of her country by Islamic extremism, nothing to do with race.

[Khandro]

and now this;
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/797147/Marine-Le-Pen-French-Election-Emmanuel-Macron-poll-Jean-Marie-Le-Pen-Jean-Luc-M-lenchon

[mikey4444]

Khandro....yes, she is a racist and her Party is from the far-right.

She is concerned with stirring up racial hatred in France, which is why she will fail to become President.

[Khandro]

mikey; The real racists in France are the Islamic fundamentalists and hate preachers stirring their followers into hatred and terrible crimes against their French hosts, if that isn't racism what is? Marine le Pen has said; " It is a monstrous ideology which has declared war on our nation, on our reason, and on our civilization.” “The Islamist, Salafist ideology has no right to be in France and should be banned. Preachers of hate should be expelled and their mosques closed,”. On Thursday, Karim Cheurfi, 39, who had previously been convicted of attempted murder, opened fire on a police van with a Kalashnikov, killing officer Xavier Jugelé, 37.

[mikey4444]

Khandro....you are obviously a supporter of this far-right candidate and her Party, so I guess we shall have to agree to disagree !

[ichkeria]

That Daily Express headline is totally misleading. Those polls reflect the obvious fact people think Le Pen has done remarkably well to get where she has and that her campaign has got off to a better start. That is hardly surprising. For the next 9 days or so she will simper, bill and coo around the country with the "downtrodden" while inevitable M Macron, who by comparison does look a bit wooden and remote, well isn't going to do that.
That report doesn't mention that 12% of Melenchon's supporters currently say they will vote for her. As I said before, Macron may not be everyone's cup of tea, but a few days' makeover won't obliterate the Le Pen stigma which she rightly bears. Roughly 78% of the people who voted on Sunday rejected her and her party (even she's rejected her party). She won't turn that around.

[Khandro]

mikey, I'm not an out and out supporter of Marine Le Pen, but the outcome of this election may determine whether France still has the possibility of remaining French. Macron is a political parvenu, an opportunist in the pocket of high financiers gaining votes not for himself but simply because he is not Le Pen.
If elected it will be a disaster for France, he will probably be worse than his mentor Hollande, who is himself the least popular president of modern times.
It appears that the French system is arranged so that no one gets what they really want.

[ichkeria]

You make Macron sound a bit like Trump :-)
You can't have it both ways: he's either a member of the establishment or a 'parvenu' . His biggest problem is that he doesn't have a parliamentary base. But he's not Le Pen: even Le Pen seems to deny she's Le Pen. That is more than good enough as it was for Chirac in 2002.
Not sure why you think the system denies the people who they want: Le Pen can't even claim to be the most popular candidate from round one.

[ichkeria]

The system is arranged to ensure the winner has the support of 50+% of the turnout. That's a better system than one where one person gets slightly more than a host of others. And it's giving Le Pen another bite at it!

[Khandro]

ichi; What I'm saying is, everyone that votes Le Pen, wants Le Pen - but probably won't get her - most people voting Macron don't do so because of his qualities, but simply because he isn't her, this will apply also to those who voted for Fillon and have had to switch. Yes, it is like the Trump phenomena, where many people voted for him just because they didn't want Clinton.
This is why nobody gets what they want, as they do with 'first past the post'.