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Kelvin Mackenzie Sacked !
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This ogre has finally been sacked, and not before time....good riddance !
This ogre has finally been sacked, and not before time....good riddance !
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AOG - ///// AOG - That was the royal 'we' ///
And I suppose that 'we' would be in order when you answer for a post addressed to mikey4444? //
Everyone responds to posts directed to other AB'ers, including you, so I am not going to pursue that line of discussion.
// And then get my posts removed for taking you up on it. //
I didn't see your post, I certainly didn't remove it.
// But then this always happens when persons debate with you. //
Please print out the following - and then paste it where you can see it from your keyboard, then I won't have to explain this to you again next week -
'Moderators are not permitted to edit or remove posts or threads in which they are personally involved. This rule applies to Andy Hughes.'
You are mischief-making, so again please stop it.
And I suppose that 'we' would be in order when you answer for a post addressed to mikey4444? //
Everyone responds to posts directed to other AB'ers, including you, so I am not going to pursue that line of discussion.
// And then get my posts removed for taking you up on it. //
I didn't see your post, I certainly didn't remove it.
// But then this always happens when persons debate with you. //
Please print out the following - and then paste it where you can see it from your keyboard, then I won't have to explain this to you again next week -
'Moderators are not permitted to edit or remove posts or threads in which they are personally involved. This rule applies to Andy Hughes.'
You are mischief-making, so again please stop it.
mikey4444
/// AOG....I had nothing whatsoever to do with the removed post.....I don't even know who posted it or what it was about. ///
I didn't say you did old chap, but it was I who posted what strangely became a removed post.
And I can't tell you what the innocent post contained because that will only get removed also.
/// AOG....I had nothing whatsoever to do with the removed post.....I don't even know who posted it or what it was about. ///
I didn't say you did old chap, but it was I who posted what strangely became a removed post.
And I can't tell you what the innocent post contained because that will only get removed also.
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Lie-In King - //MacKenzie's a despicable little man, unfortunately there are almost certainly people lining up to have his drivel fill their pages or screens. //
As I have pointed out, Mr Mckenzie has created his 'voice of the people' persona in order to peddle his wares.
The irony is - the working class people for whom he claims to speak are those who actually live in multi-racial communities, and co-exist with migrants from various nations.
Mr Mackenzie probably dispatches his nasty invective from a leafy London suburb whose only 'ethnics' are domestic staff.
But at least he is domiciled here, and does not, like his fellow invective-spewer Richard Littlejohn spend large parts of the year in a gated community in Florida.
As I have pointed out, Mr Mckenzie has created his 'voice of the people' persona in order to peddle his wares.
The irony is - the working class people for whom he claims to speak are those who actually live in multi-racial communities, and co-exist with migrants from various nations.
Mr Mackenzie probably dispatches his nasty invective from a leafy London suburb whose only 'ethnics' are domestic staff.
But at least he is domiciled here, and does not, like his fellow invective-spewer Richard Littlejohn spend large parts of the year in a gated community in Florida.
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mikey - As I advised earlier, on the point about the alleged racism in Mr MacKenzie's piece, I am entirely in agreement with AOG, he should not have been suspended for that part of what he wrote.
But as far as referring to Mr Barclay as resembling a gorilla, and for comparing people with similar wages as being drug dealers, then yes, he absolutely should have been suspended.
But as far as referring to Mr Barclay as resembling a gorilla, and for comparing people with similar wages as being drug dealers, then yes, he absolutely should have been suspended.
Part of the article Kelvin wrote this in last week's Spectator;
When Trevor Phillips stood down as chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, he had served nine years. His period remains the longest of any UK equality commissioner. So when the confected outrage started over my Sun column about Everton footballer Ross Barkley I was not surprised to see a text pop up from Mr Phillips. I feared he would join the Liverpool bandwagon claiming I was a racist because I had compared the look in the eyes of Barkley with a gorilla. Actually I and every football fan I had ever met believed Barkley to be white. Unluckily for me, but luckily for my enemies in the north-west, that was not entirely true. It emerged that although Barkley looked white, his grandfather was half-Nigerian.
The reality is that had I known of his family tree I would never have made the comparison, but since I am a columnist and not a researcher on Who Do You Think You Are? I didn’t know, and have yet to meet anybody who did. Including the Sun sports editor.
When Trevor Phillips stood down as chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, he had served nine years. His period remains the longest of any UK equality commissioner. So when the confected outrage started over my Sun column about Everton footballer Ross Barkley I was not surprised to see a text pop up from Mr Phillips. I feared he would join the Liverpool bandwagon claiming I was a racist because I had compared the look in the eyes of Barkley with a gorilla. Actually I and every football fan I had ever met believed Barkley to be white. Unluckily for me, but luckily for my enemies in the north-west, that was not entirely true. It emerged that although Barkley looked white, his grandfather was half-Nigerian.
The reality is that had I known of his family tree I would never have made the comparison, but since I am a columnist and not a researcher on Who Do You Think You Are? I didn’t know, and have yet to meet anybody who did. Including the Sun sports editor.
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Some think that Mr Mackenzie should be sacked for referring to Mr Barclay as resembling a gorilla.
If one does not take up the connection that his grandfather was half Nigerian, what could be wrong in that, I have heard other footballers referred to as much worse than that, in fact most people think that gorillas are quite charming in a certain way, and what about us 'knuckle dragging right wingers'?
As for comparing people with similar wages as being drug dealers, he did not actually say that, but that of course doesn't stop some from falsely accusing him, so as to fit it in with their own particular agenda.
If one does not take up the connection that his grandfather was half Nigerian, what could be wrong in that, I have heard other footballers referred to as much worse than that, in fact most people think that gorillas are quite charming in a certain way, and what about us 'knuckle dragging right wingers'?
As for comparing people with similar wages as being drug dealers, he did not actually say that, but that of course doesn't stop some from falsely accusing him, so as to fit it in with their own particular agenda.
Khandro - // The reality is that had I known of his family tree I would never have made the comparison, but since I am a columnist and not a researcher on Who Do You Think You Are? I didn’t know, and have yet to meet anybody who did. Including the Sun sports editor. //
It may not be Mr Mackenzie's job to check into the family tree of people he is horribly insulting for a living, but it is certainly his editor's job, and t is absolutely certainly the job of The Sun's legal team who are paid serious wedges to keep this kind of guff off the pages, and their employers out of the courts.
So if Mr MacKenzie wants see himself more sinned against - and obviously he does - then he should look elsewhere for the people who are responsible for letting him print his vile invective in the first place.
It may not be Mr Mackenzie's job to check into the family tree of people he is horribly insulting for a living, but it is certainly his editor's job, and t is absolutely certainly the job of The Sun's legal team who are paid serious wedges to keep this kind of guff off the pages, and their employers out of the courts.
So if Mr MacKenzie wants see himself more sinned against - and obviously he does - then he should look elsewhere for the people who are responsible for letting him print his vile invective in the first place.
Now it is the editor's job, and any newspaper's legal team, to delve into any person's family tree, who may have been insulted in anyway, just in case there is a hint of Afro ethnicity in the family tree?
Amazing, absolutely amazing, almost on par to the Nazis seeking out any Jewish blood in the family.
Amazing, absolutely amazing, almost on par to the Nazis seeking out any Jewish blood in the family.
He was sacked according to a mail out I received from a very trusted source whose name I cannot write here because it contravenes the site rule.
The day after I posted the recent thread about him, I got news that he'd been given the push, although he was still being allowed to run his agency (called 'A Source Says') from the News International offices.
Perhaps that's where the idea of 'negotiation' came from - not for his old job, but to continue running his new enterprise for a limited time from those offices.
The day after I posted the recent thread about him, I got news that he'd been given the push, although he was still being allowed to run his agency (called 'A Source Says') from the News International offices.
Perhaps that's where the idea of 'negotiation' came from - not for his old job, but to continue running his new enterprise for a limited time from those offices.
sp1814
/// The gorilla comment - about as innocent as the 'slope' comment made by Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear. ///
And you know that for certain do you sp, couldn't give him the benefit of doubt and suggest that perhaps along with most others, he did not realise that his grandfather was not even Nigerian but only part-Nigerian?
Your analogy with Jeremy Clarkson's 'slope' comment is not valid.
/// The gorilla comment - about as innocent as the 'slope' comment made by Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear. ///
And you know that for certain do you sp, couldn't give him the benefit of doubt and suggest that perhaps along with most others, he did not realise that his grandfather was not even Nigerian but only part-Nigerian?
Your analogy with Jeremy Clarkson's 'slope' comment is not valid.
AOG - //Now it is the editor's job, and any newspaper's legal team, to delve into any person's family tree, who may have been insulted in anyway, just in case there is a hint of Afro ethnicity in the family tree? //
No, it is the Editor's, and legal team's jobs to ensure that anything printed in the paper they work for is not going to cause a level of outrage that means the paper is banned across an entire section of a major city.
I have repeated several times that the 'ethnicity' aspect of Mr Mackenzie's hounding was ludicrous unfounded PC nonsense, but that his uncalled for personal comments against a professional footballer, and the hardworking residents of Liverpool being likened to drug dealers, was not.
That should have been stopped by the Editor and / or the legal team for the sheer OTT nastiness and bigotry that it was.
They can't expect Mr. MacKenzie to exercise restraint and courtesy, the absence of those is what makes them employ him in the first place, but, to borrow his own unpleasant style to make a comparison - if you have a large brain-dead savage dog that bites people for fun, it is beholden on you to keep it on a lead.
No, it is the Editor's, and legal team's jobs to ensure that anything printed in the paper they work for is not going to cause a level of outrage that means the paper is banned across an entire section of a major city.
I have repeated several times that the 'ethnicity' aspect of Mr Mackenzie's hounding was ludicrous unfounded PC nonsense, but that his uncalled for personal comments against a professional footballer, and the hardworking residents of Liverpool being likened to drug dealers, was not.
That should have been stopped by the Editor and / or the legal team for the sheer OTT nastiness and bigotry that it was.
They can't expect Mr. MacKenzie to exercise restraint and courtesy, the absence of those is what makes them employ him in the first place, but, to borrow his own unpleasant style to make a comparison - if you have a large brain-dead savage dog that bites people for fun, it is beholden on you to keep it on a lead.
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