ChatterBank1 min ago
Oh Dear. Jeremy Corbyn Does A Michael Howard
Corbyn was asked 6 times whether, if he became PM (Ha!), come what may would we leave EU, and 6 times he failed, and for failed read refused, to provide an answer to this question.
Does this give those Labour voters who voted leave a dilemma?
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I'm beginning to sympathise a little with Corbyn's repeated reluctance to answer hypothetical questions, although perhaps he could still do with explaining why he doesn't, just in case I am being too charitable.
Still, the way I see it, if -- God forbid -- I were leading the country from June 9th, is that I would go into the negotiations fully intending to, and working towards, leaving the EU, and fully expecting to leave it within five years (probbaly sooner). *But* -- and here, I think, is where Corbyn's coming unstuck -- there may be circumstances in which leaving becomes obviously bad for the country, and so I wouldn't want to commit to leaving 100%, come what may. I can't describe those circumstances, except for the grotesque and obviously unrealistic ones, but it stands to reason that such circumstances exist. So committing to leaving unconditionally is just not something I'd want to do. The point is that it wouldn't detract from my intentions or approach, or at least I'd try not to let it, and the other point is that such circumstances as might arise change the probability of leaving from 100% to about 99.998% or something.
Even this may seem heretical or undemocratic to some people, but really it's just stating an obvious hypothetical: if it becomes clear that leaving the EU is not remotely in the best interests of the UK, then the government should be prepared to change course accordingly. But the course -- of leaving -- is still laid in, still to be followed, and the "if" is a really, really big if that I don't expect to happen, at least not enough to change that course. It's just about keeping options open and not showing our hand.
Whether or not Corbyn meant this by refusing I don't know -- although for those who doubt him, it's worth pointing out that he was for a long time in favour of leaving the EU, whereas May was (at least somewhat) pro-Remain. Possibly still is in favour of leaving, for all I know.
Still, the way I see it, if -- God forbid -- I were leading the country from June 9th, is that I would go into the negotiations fully intending to, and working towards, leaving the EU, and fully expecting to leave it within five years (probbaly sooner). *But* -- and here, I think, is where Corbyn's coming unstuck -- there may be circumstances in which leaving becomes obviously bad for the country, and so I wouldn't want to commit to leaving 100%, come what may. I can't describe those circumstances, except for the grotesque and obviously unrealistic ones, but it stands to reason that such circumstances exist. So committing to leaving unconditionally is just not something I'd want to do. The point is that it wouldn't detract from my intentions or approach, or at least I'd try not to let it, and the other point is that such circumstances as might arise change the probability of leaving from 100% to about 99.998% or something.
Even this may seem heretical or undemocratic to some people, but really it's just stating an obvious hypothetical: if it becomes clear that leaving the EU is not remotely in the best interests of the UK, then the government should be prepared to change course accordingly. But the course -- of leaving -- is still laid in, still to be followed, and the "if" is a really, really big if that I don't expect to happen, at least not enough to change that course. It's just about keeping options open and not showing our hand.
Whether or not Corbyn meant this by refusing I don't know -- although for those who doubt him, it's worth pointing out that he was for a long time in favour of leaving the EU, whereas May was (at least somewhat) pro-Remain. Possibly still is in favour of leaving, for all I know.
There are many reasons not to show your hand early but to do it publicly is nothing short of cutting your own head off and then having it displayed for public delectation.
Any sensible person wouldn't let their negotiating stance out of the bag especially not early on.
I do wonder at the supposed intelligence of people clamouring to be told the ins and outs of a gnats Harris when clearly that information out in the open would be detrimental to the negotiations.
But we all know what the UK as a whole would want. Tarif Free trade with access to the open EU market. In return we give the same. As for EU nation citizens here and UK citizens in the EU, they should be allowed to stay under the host nations rules, regulations and laws. With no bull s about those living here being under Brussels rule of law. NATO would poodle along as it does. International intelligence would/should carry on in the same vain.
There will probably be a price to pay for that but realistically it shouldn't be as much as the EU will demand.
Any sensible person wouldn't let their negotiating stance out of the bag especially not early on.
I do wonder at the supposed intelligence of people clamouring to be told the ins and outs of a gnats Harris when clearly that information out in the open would be detrimental to the negotiations.
But we all know what the UK as a whole would want. Tarif Free trade with access to the open EU market. In return we give the same. As for EU nation citizens here and UK citizens in the EU, they should be allowed to stay under the host nations rules, regulations and laws. With no bull s about those living here being under Brussels rule of law. NATO would poodle along as it does. International intelligence would/should carry on in the same vain.
There will probably be a price to pay for that but realistically it shouldn't be as much as the EU will demand.
You only have to look at some members of his shadow cabinet or should I say shallow cabinet to see the absolute mediocrity of the current Labour Party. Can you imagine the current shadow Home Secretary as a labour Home Secretary or the Marxist shadow chancellor as the government chancellor, it beggars belief.
Luckily I will be at sea the week before the election but my postal vote will be there.
When we joined the EU back in the day I had a bumper sticker "Don't blame me I voted no" hmmmmmmmm.
Luckily I will be at sea the week before the election but my postal vote will be there.
When we joined the EU back in the day I had a bumper sticker "Don't blame me I voted no" hmmmmmmmm.
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"Brexit means Brexit" - May's constant refrain - is as meaningful as "Breakfast means breakfast". Is it to be a lightly-boiled egg or a full English? Corbyn's repeated refusals are no different from her constant repetitions.
It totally different. May has stated 'No deal better than bad deal'
Doesn't that mean we will leave come what may?
Corbyn refused to answer that exact question.
"Brexit means Brexit" - May's constant refrain - is as meaningful as "Breakfast means breakfast". Is it to be a lightly-boiled egg or a full English? Corbyn's repeated refusals are no different from her constant repetitions.
It totally different. May has stated 'No deal better than bad deal'
Doesn't that mean we will leave come what may?
Corbyn refused to answer that exact question.
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