What Would You Do?

[10ClarionSt]

I've seen that a lot in the replies and posts on here since Monday night. One man on the radio this morning, a former senior member of COBRA, said the answer is to deport all those with known connections to terrorism. Even if there isn't enough evidence to bring them to trial. If their activities have brought them to the attention of the security forces, they should be deported without any questions being asked. Summary dismissal!

[naomi24]

Talbot, I'm quoting something I heard in a television discussion a couple of days ago. I think there are 3000 home grown terrorist suspects on the list. I guess the rest aren't home grown.

[naomi24]

Mikey, //If Salman Abedi was on a watch list, why did the security forces allow him the freedom to bomb ? //

You're surely not suggesting we lock people up before they have actually killed anyone? Good gracious!

It seems to me that most of the perpetrators are known to the security services, but dare suggest confining them and all hell breaks loose!

[agchristie]

If only it was as easy as clicking 'WATCH ITEM' on ebay and receiving alerts...

[mushroom25]

//Of course the bomber was Muslim, as they were all the ones associated with the 7/7 outrages. But the vast majority of other Muslims are not terrorists. And I refuse to tar everybody with the same brush. //

quite true. but that minority who are not of a mind to get on with the job and the rest of society have entrenched views. you cannot reason with them, much as our politicos like to insist that a cup of tea will make them see our point of view. it won't. their way is the only way; after all the name of their creed is derived from the Arabic "al-silm" - "submission". you will submit. or their religious teachings (as they see it) justify your execution.

whether some of the solutions already postulated are workable or legal has yet to be tested. but if we do not act, what "what would you do" would amount to an acceptance by society that we tolerate random public killings.

[Peter Pedant]

// You're surely not suggesting we lock people up before they have actually killed anyone? Good gracious! //

well yes I am saying that lock up is for people who have done things

or else - Nigh - they could lock up you

Nigh: "I have said a thousand times I am different to other people but no one takes a blind bit of notice" [irony klaxon in background]

Let us recollect that internment in Ireland isnt one of untrammelled success - Nigh - "I have said a thousand times that the lessons from Irish History is that there are no lessons from Irish History but no one has a blind idea what I am talking about ....." [recycle klaxon in background - wiv circular argument overload light]

[Togo]

All I want to know is, when the Muslim and Christian opposing masses eventually coalesce and begin to wage open war on each other, will we be issued with weapons or have to acquire our own. It may mean that the terrorists and their, for now, covert supporters have an advantage seeing as they appear to have no problem obtaining guns and explosives from their overseas sponsors.

[sunny-dave]

What would I do ???

We are always told how strong family ties are in the community that is carrying out the current despicable and cowardly acts. This (to me) means that plenty of people in that family circle know what is going on and have chosen not to stop it.

I'd like to see a process of 'registering a dissociation' - if you haven't done this and a member of your family plans and/or commits a terrorrist act then you are instantly thrown out of the UK - don't ask me where to, I don't actually care - as long as it is uncivilised and unpleasant it will do.

Family for this purpose to mean blood or marital association in all directions for two generations and two degrees of separation.

This would have the bonus effect that anyone who was 'disowned' by the family through this process was instantly 'of interest' to the security services ...

[naomi24]

PeterPedant, good morning my little stalker. Lovely day. :o)

//Nigh: "I have said a thousand times I am different to other people but no one takes a blind bit of notice" [irony klaxon in background] //

Now what are you on about?

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444
/// But the vast majority of other Muslims are not terrorists. And I refuse to tar everybody with the same brush. ///

Do you mean those who have not yet committed an act of terrorism, I suspect some like you would have classed this monster as a very nice Muslim boy who was good to his mother and father, and who worked hard and hoped to become a doctor.

That was until he was found out to be what he actually was.

In times like these we are constantly told to be vigilant, and if that means being wary of all Muslims, it's a pity but for our own safety so be it.

[youngmafbog]

Well Mickey, I didnt think there were nearly 17million Muslims in the UK - it's worse than I thought
Or did you just attend the Dianne Abbot School of Mathematics?

[Arrods]

Targeting the 'hate preachers' might go some way to reducing the problem (as reported in today's press). I'm not sure many of these would put themselves forward for suicide missions (on the grounds 'it's my duty to spread the word'.)

[youngmafbog]

To those saying we can't deport UK born jihadists, would you all be ok if we started deporting the foreign ones for starters?

Immediately without loads of leaching briefs on legal aid?

[anotheoldgit]

What this Man said might not be enforceable, but what a refreshing change it would make if our leaders, the police and the media came up with similar suggestions instead of the tired worn out statements such as "they will not separate us" "we are proud of our togetherness" etc, etc, etc?

[B00]

"would you all be ok if we started deporting the foreign ones for starters? "

I'd be even happier if it was done within the day too.

[sunny-dave]

Yesterday would be good ...

[anotheoldgit]

Togo
/// All I want to know is, when the Muslim and Christian opposing masses eventually coalesce and begin to wage open war on each other, will we be issued with weapons or have to acquire our own ///

Interesting point raised there, if there were to be a war in this country between Muslims and Christians, I wonder on whose side the 'peaceful' Muslims would chose to side with, the Radical Muslims or ours?

[gness]

Excellent answer,Dave!

[-Talbot-]

The network of terrorist in Europe is absolutely massive and our so called leaders have facilitated this. They have exacerbated the problem aided and abetted by the let them all in crew.

[agchristie]

AOG - even if the 'peaceful Muslims' were on 'our' side you would still have a lot of disbelief and mistrust.

I think until the masses are convinced that enough condemnation is made then the hostility and ill-feeling will only increase.

[anotheoldgit]

It was announced that the mass killer was known to the security forces and that some had reported him to the police.

Since it appears that no action was taken against him and if it had all those killed would still be alive, I think that an inquiry should be set up immediately and those who are found to be lacking in taking action should be removed from their posts and in some cases criminally charged.