London Attacker: Khuram Butt Showed His Extremist Colours

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40167432

I will be interested to learn why this man was allowed to go free, and commit an atrocity.

[zebo]

Is their flag not banned? If it isn't then it should be, displaying it should be a criminal offence and perps arrested immediately. If legal aid were not available it would be easier to jail the supporters, many decent people have lost access to legal aid.

[-Talbot-]

you wouldn't have complained if he was locked up for what he might do if not locked up then?

[Quoi]

A number of times during my life I have been told by the police that they cant do anything until someone has committed an offence - ie harassment & stalking type stuff. Maybe this is what has to change.
Its hard to see how being pictured with a flag could see you detained for long enough to make a difference.

[anneasquith]

Is the reason he was not put on 24 hour surveillance ( lack of resources )? Might he have been prevented from killing ? . because of those lack of recourses ?

[mikey4444]

Anne....difficult to see how the Police could have kept an eye on him, if they were so strapped for resources

[Quoi]

//Anne....difficult to see how the Police could have kept an eye on him, if they were so strapped for resources //
Sorry I thought it was a real question not a point scorer - silly me

[mikey4444]

Quoi....its a legitimate question to ask, and Scotland Yard and others should give us some answers.

[mikey4444]

This chap appears to have done everything that we have been asking communities to do, and yet all his efforts came to nothing ::::

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/40159360/they-didn-t-get-back-to-me

[Quoi]

Absolutely legitimate question to ask but your motive for asking it puts me off contributing to ab. My bad - I missed the underlying agenda.

[youngmafbog]

I too thought this was going to be a sensible question not a point scoring exercise. Clearly I was wrong.

How many more times do you have to be told, It would be virtually impossible to have the resources required to watch everyone on the list.

People like this should be interned while they are checked out. If they have been radicalised they should be kept interned until they have been de-radicalised.

[naomi24]

anneasquith/Mikey, monitoring just one suspect 24 hours a day takes sixty people. Multiply that by the number of suspects on the watch list – thousands – and you’ll understand why it can’t be done by this government or any other government.

http://news.sky.com/story/expensive-and-impractical-why-uk-police-struggle-to-watch-terror-suspects-10891865

The only way to ensure that they don’t carry out their plans is to lock them up.

I'm not Scotland Yard, but there's the answer you've asked for.

[Baldric]

//its a legitimate question to ask//

The OP is made up of two statements, not a question in sight.

[-Talbot-]

Once again you have ducked a legitimate question, mikey.

You can't have it both ways.

[youngmafbog]

Interesting to see you have avoided the thread on Ms Abbotts latest car crash interview Mickey. Now why would that be eh?

[mikey4444]

YMB....I am on record of not giving much in the way of support to Abbot....you know that. But it doesn't diminish my support for the Labour Party.

[-Talbot-]

mikey4444
This chap appears to have done everything that we have been asking communities to do, and yet all his efforts came to nothing ::::



All his efforts?
He says he made a phone call, how much effort is that?
(I am not in away deriding what this fella did, more your deliberate exaggeration)

Perhaps the police were already aware of this particular scumbag? ? ?
Did that not cross your mind? ? ?

[-Talbot-]

Why have you answered YMB and not told him to Stay On Topic?

Can we get back on topic and answer each others question now?

[youngmafbog]

Yes, sorry Mickey I shouldn't have done that. I'll let you get back to answering Talbot now.

[ToraToraTora]

you'd be the first screaming like a lefty banshee if he was arrested before. I'm quite happy to arrest and detain all 3000 of these savages that the intelligence services say they have under observation are you? Let's create a British Gitmo and bung them on it. we have enough Islands, use one of those. Nice idea mikey.

[Peter Pedant]

// Is their flag not banned? If it isn't then it should be,//

er not sure about that. It is a black background and with "islamic writing" across it - and the words are in fact Arabic - There is no God but God and Mohd is his prophet ( or the prophet of God)

This is called the shehada ( shuh hair duh) - or witness statement

you will find it on Green in the saudi flag

I havent done a great study of islamic writing on the worlds flags. Iraq - I think it is God is Great

as for Mikey's question: why did Khoran Butt go free ?
Watch The Jihadis next door
available in Netflix unpixelated

cameraman follows them around for a year and doesnt get much except blaaart - sort of a bit like AB - or..... endless illogical blaart which doesnt make much sense either in bits or as a whole - sort of exactly like AB. In the end the interviewer says that they have not been truthful nor exact about their beliefs nor what they would do. [" ya aint said anyfing yeah - wot dat den innit?) - and one says that if he does that he will get ten years in prison. ( "yeah wot dat yeah den - gedda ten stretch if I do dat yeah innit yeah")


One even makes a note to himself in the programme
" I must not say innit so much"

watch as a duty not to enjoy