London Fire .

[gester]

I am sure the PM's first reaction was "That's all I bloody need now! " followed by the
platitudes.
The lessons will NOT be learned or acted upon.
Eventually there will be NO real culprits , just "regrettable procedural failings" .
I am 100% with DRACO the Athenian magistrate.

gester.

[emmie]

i bet it wasn't the first thing she thought of, how can you be sure what she was thinking other than what a tragedy.

[jno]

she might have been quite pleased to be off the front pages for a few hours. But I tend to agree nothing will happen; there have been years of warnings about the risks of inadequate fireproofing of tower blocks.

[emmie]

i am worried now as we had our building cladded some while back..

[ToraToraTora]

congrats, you are the winner.

[Mamyalynne]

I wouldn't like to second guess what Mrs May thought.

Yes, we all know the oft repeated promises of 'lessons will be learned' - we can only hope and pray that some are learnt from and acted upon swiftly.

[jno]

if people would care to reread the OP they'll see it's not about May at all but about what will happen as a result of the fire.

[naomi24]

We always hear 'lessons will be learnt', and as we all know its usually pie in the sky, but this time lessons must be learnt. They really must. Never can should such materials be used on any building.

[Mamyalynne]

Jno, I think some read it and a couple didn't - ever the way.

[emmie]

they have been used on ours, not to mention in the home when i got an infestation of mice.. they blocked up the places they were getting in with the same material.

[sp1814]

I remember the fire in the tower block in Camberwell in 2009.

At the time, residents of the flats criticised its layout, which did not provide easy egress in case of an emergency. The flats also lacked a central fire alarm system, which was not required by virtue of the current guidance.

Now, it's eight years later and have lessons been learned?

Perhaps, but the lessons that have been learned is that its way too expensive to retrofit sprinkler systems and alternate escape routes to 1960s and 1970s tower blocks.

Like the 2009 fire, this one will eventually fade into memory. I honestly don't think that things will ever change - and that's based on the fact that things haven't changed before.

[Old_Geezer]

Interrupting her chat with DUP would have been something inconvenient. In fact I'm unsure why it was delayed save a strange public wanting a visit and platitudes and show of concern instead; concern which I'm sure she felt anyway. As for the incident, it looks like a fair old number of folk need their rear ends kicked hard. This tragedy is totally unacceptable at this point in time. There have been years of knowing how to make buildings fire resistant and minimising the fire's spread. One can't help but feel that the rules and regulations must have been flaunted.

[Baldric]

AOG @ 14:53, that is exactly what I said in my Post and you are as guilty as anyone else.

[jim360]

I don't know if the OP was meant to be directed at May or not, but at any rate this isn't a party political issue. Not even close to one.

[-Talbot-]

Of course it was else why the first sentence about being sure what May's first thoughts were.

[naomi24]

SP, there have always been issues with lack of fire alarms, sprinklers, etc., and of course lessons should have been learnt but never were. However, I think this is very different because as I understand it this building was encased in highly flammable material – material that should never have passed building regulations.

[ToraToraTora]

they had a sample on the news last night. I would not say it was an accelerate but it burnt pretty well and it was attached with wooden batten. Madness, I cannot see how that passed fire regs. I mean the brigade inspected the place right?

[Peter Pedant]

no post that I can see at 14 53
and no post by AOG

situation - normal

I was surprised to see polyurethane was used in outside cladding
It gives off a toxic gas when it burns doesnt it ?

Kensington hived off their social housing to a housuing trust.
When the voters complained I imagine the council said 'nothing to do with us, contact your housing trust'

and the housing trust may well have said
we were given a load of crud to administer
what do you expect us to do ? pull them all doewn and start again ?
and where do we get the money from ?

[Baldric]

Did you not notice '-- answer removed --' then PP?

[naomi24]

Peter Pedant, //Kensington hived off their social housing to a housuing trust. //

As I understand it the building was managed by a housing trust on behalf of the council, but whoever owned it or managed it, the recent renovations would still have had to meet fire regulations and had the approval of the planning office.