How Many Don't Believe In Evolution?

[cassa333]

Apparently it is a controversial theory in Turkey so has been taken out of the curriculum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40384471

[jim360]

You've written some claptrap in your time, Naomi, but I'm fairly sure that's up there with the best of it.

It's doubly false: there is no a single scientific question that's been answered legitimately that doesn't lead to more questions, because that's how Science works and moves forward; and anyway, those demanding "missing links" are often asking dishonestly, as part of an agenda to discredit a theory that threatens their faith (as they see it) -- therefore any answer is unwelcome, and leads to more questions because they *have* to keep discrediting the theory to hold onto their own version of history. That's how moving the goalposts works.

The missing links as have been found answer the questions well enough as they were posed, but good luck getting a creationist to accept that.

[naomi24]

Jim, //You've written some claptrap in your time, Naomi, but I'm fairly sure that's up there with the best of it. //

What is?

[jim360]

"Jim, //people tend to just shift the goalposts and require two missing links every time you find the one they originally asked for. //

If the answer to the question had been provided, there would be no further questions."

[naomi24]

But there wouldn't. If the answer given doesn't answer the question, clearly there must be further questions.

[jim360]

But, as I pointed out, there are also further questions even if the question has been answered, both legitimately, for the sake of further progress, and because the original question may have been asked dishonestly or with an agenda in mind.

[naomi24]

Jim, //there are also further questions even if the question has been answered//

Not if it's been answered accurately. Agendas and dishonesty are a different subject.

[anotheoldgit]

Buenchico

Centuries ago???? That's not fair to the native Americans.

[anotheoldgit]

Quangoid
/// Obama in the whitehouse= Evolved ///

/// Trump in the whitehouse= Devolve ///

Isn't that being rather racist?

[naomi24]

aog, don't start with racism again for goodness sake! This is an interesting subject.

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24
/// aog, don't start with racism again for goodness sake! ///

I will ignore that comment, since it has already been stated you have written a lot of claptrap in your time.

[Zacs-Master]

She's waaaaay behind you matey.

[Zacs-Master]

How is Quangoids statement about presidents racist?

[mushroom25]

there are people much closer to home who don't believe in evolution and some of them are now incredibly close to the UK government. Google"Caleb foundation"......

[mikey4444]

Zacs....I too, can't see any racism in Q's post !

[scooping]

Thought this was quite good:
'Evolution is neither a ladder nor a tree. If we must use a metaphor, a spider’s web may be a better image—a twisted, chaotic mass of diverging lines and broken wisps that radiate outwards'.

[naomi24]

aog, Jim’s was a tit-for-tat response – essential for some to every floundering argument. ;o)

[Old_Geezer]

Spider's web ??? Never noted a species go all around the circle.

AOG seems to imply the presidents mentioned are distinguished by skin colour rather than anything else. One ought not take everything seriously.

[cassa333]

I think I have missed something fundamental in this post.

Naomi and Jim seem to be bickering about 'answers leading to more questions' and it really does seem to me that you are actually agreeing but have got stuck thinking you haven't. (((Or have I read this wrong again lol)))

The available evidence says we evolved so religion switched the emphasis to intelligent design. So yes they do move the goel posts and there will never be enough evidence that will sway them from the concept that god didn't create everything including us.

[Huderon]

Mikey //The difficulty is, of course, that the Biblical version of how life started is such a lynch pin of religion, that its removal would mean the total collapse of those religions. //

The Catholic church certainly wouldn't collapse. Their view (summarised) is that you can believe the literal truth of the bible or believe evolution. However if you believe evolution you have to accept that it happened under God's guidance and that, where human evolution is concerned, at some point during that process God created the human soul.

[naomi24]

Cassa, I don't think Jim and I do agree on the subject of 'What is an answer to a question', and since we've discussed it before, I don't think we ever will, so best left where it is.