Is 6 Years Long Enough For These Savages?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-40416578
Surely "life" should mean life.

[Jackdaw33]

Not when his DNA was found on the knickers of the woman he raped at the time.

[ummmm]

HereIam - apparently not.

[Islay]

Jackdaw that is not a very good example due to the high possibility of contamination due to exhibits were handled freely because people did not know about DNA

[Baldric]

Mikey @ 16:23
The other two sentenced were not given a Minimum Term
///Rayworth was sentenced to 12 years and four months and Wood for nine years.///
It is usual to be released after serving half the Sentence.

[Jackdaw33]

Good enough for me. The 'contamination' excuse is the last refuge of the desperate. Contaminated or not, why should his DNA have shown up on a piece of evidence?

[Islay]

As coppers were not DNA savvy his clothes and those of the victim could have been kept together, he could have been allowed to handle the clothing - there is any number or reasonable reasons.

[hereIam]

Wow I didn't know that Jd, all I rememebr is the hoo-ha about him being innocent !

[EDDIE51]

Once again we see a judge criticised for just doing what he is forced to do!
I yet again have to say that a judge DOES NOT make up the sentence off the top of his/her head.
There is only one possible sentence for murder and that is LIFE!
The judge MUST impose a tariff as he has done here. Until the tariff has been served the offender CAN NOT even start the process of applying to the parole board! 33 and 27 years are right up there with the longest tariffs imposed, in reality they will serve at least several more years than the minimum tariff.
'Whole life tariffs' are very rare and can only be imposed for certain categories of murder , multiple murder for example as in the case of Ian Brady.
Even if they do get parole which is FAR from certain, they can only ever be released 'on licence' never actually free. They can be recalled to prison without another trial if they break any of the conditions that will be imposed for any possible release.
In this way life does mean life!
The others were not charged with murder so they can not be sentenced to 'life'. Again the judge had no option but to sentence to the guidelines!
I'm going to keep a copy of this answer as I know I will need it again in a week or two!

[Jackdaw33]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hanratty

[Mamyalynne]

I don't know how you cope Eddie - really I don't.

Keeping a copy would be sensible, save on RSI.

[mikey4444]

Here is a completely innocent man, who was hanged ::::

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans

[mikey4444]

Eddie....the voice of common sense, as usual !

[EDDIE51]

^ agreed mikey , that is just one reason I can never accept the death penalty!

[EDDIE51]

^ that was to your comment about Timothy Evans!

[youngmafbog]

of course hanging doesnt deter, who said it did. It does however guarantee 100% stopping them doing it again.

To let people like this out means there is a high chance an innocent person will die. And that is why I am all for it.

[EDDIE51]

Zamin is 43 he can't even start to apply for possible parole until he is 76 then it takes at least 5 more years with little prospect of success ! In all probability he will die in prison.
The woman will be in her 60s before she has a realistic chance of parole.

[BAKERS DOZEN]

I always thought that if your sentence is 4 years or under then you serve half in prison and are then let out into the community under licence for the remainder. If your sentence is over 4 years then you can apply for parole after you have served half your sentence. It will not automatically be granted.

[Zacs-Master]

We've strayed into psychopath/ Sociopath territory again I see.

[agchristie]

Having opened on the warpath....

[EDDIE51]

Bakers Dozen all determinate sentences , those where a set time is given now get release at the 1/2 way point.
But a 'life' sentence has to have a tariff given with it , this is the minimum time that has to be served before the process of an appeal for parole can start. The tariffs in the case here are 33 and 27 years!