Police Stifle Istanbul Gay Pride Rally

[vetuste_ennemi]

Erdogan's very popular in Germany and Holland, I understand.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40395472

[naomi24]

Jim, yes, the clanger is yours. You were attempting to demonstrate that only Islam is criticised on here for being anti-gay - but you picked the wrong example. TTT was questioning why you don’t criticise Islam for being anti-gay –and so am I.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm
/// Do give it a rest, TTT. ///

You've touched a raw nerve again TTT.

Does seem strange though, that the refusal to bake a gay cake seems to attract more condemnation from some on this site, than the whole of Muslim's attitude towards gays does.

[jackthehat]

///Does seem strange though, that the refusal to bake a gay cake seems to attract more condemnation from some on this site, than the whole of Muslim's attitude towards gays does. ///

Some things are so profoundly obvious that mentioning them becomes redundant.

I utterly abhor Islams stance on homosexuality but because theirs is worse (the worst?) does not give a Free-pass to any other religions, or individuals, to give voice to their own homophobia.

However, I don't feel the need to crow-bar that into every darned post I make....

[ummmm]

He hasn't touched a nerve, AOG, it just gets boring reading the same things everyday.

[sp1814]

AOG

See my doorstep analogy.

By the way - the last place I would think of coming to read/discuss Chechnya or the treatment of LBGTQ is AB.

I don't think it's the right forum. If you want to see righteous condemnation I can give you some web forums, but I honestly don't think you'd be comfortable with the content.

[sp1814]

naomi24

You asked:

[i]TTT was questioning why you don’t criticise Islam for being anti-gay –and so am I[i]

Could it be that in terms of real life prejudice and bigotry that gay people face - relatively little is from Muslims?

It may be that doorstep analogy again...people rail against things that affect them directly - a teenager thrown out of his home by (for example) his homophobic Catholic parents is going to have a bigger problem with Catholicism than Islam, even though had he be living in Pakistan he could've ended up in jail (or worse).

[anotheoldgit]

Peter Pedant

/// but in view of the usual suspects squabbling in their usual way ///

It is not squabbling as you incorrectly called it, it is called debate, were opposing sides try to get their own individual points across.

[Jackdaw33]

Why all this fuss about what a bunch of exhibitionists may or may not do in a foreign country?

[anotheoldgit]

jim360
/// Describing these countries as "former colonial" is no accident, either. There's a link between these countries' attitudes to homosexuality and our own from years past. We moved past that attitude, in law at least, but it lingers on there -- driven and encouraged by fundamentalist Christian preachers from the
US. ///

I wondered how long it would be before the bad old British colonists would be blamed, it's a wonder you didn't bring slavery into the debate.

But then you managed to close by blaming Christian preachers from the US.

You can't get away with blaming any of those for some of Africa's Muslim countries, savage attitude towards gays.

The western civilised nations didn't teach them these savage ways.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// He hasn't touched a nerve, AOG, it just gets boring reading the same things everyday. ///

There is an easy solution to that ummmm, just don't read them.

You wouldn't dream of picking a book up every day and reading it if it was boring, now would you?

[naomi24]

sp,// Could it be that in terms of real life prejudice and bigotry that gay people face - relatively little is from Muslims?//

You say ‘gay people’ as though gay people exist only in the world you inhabit. I’ll make an educated guess and say that gay Muslims face real life prejudice and bigotry from the Muslim world that they inhabit - whether in this country or elsewhere – so it seems somewhat insular (to me at least) to overlook that in favour of restricting your criticism only to that which affects you. Today that bloke, tomorrow you.

[anotheoldgit]

Jackdaw33

You may have a point there, why do they need to march anywhere?

I know plenty of very nice gay people who wouldn't dream of attending Gay Pride marches, they just get on with their everyday lives with their fellow straights.

[Jackdaw33]

Precisely, AOG. A lot of people are gay but don't scream and shout about it, nor do they approve of gay marriage.

[Mamyalynne]

...or cake.

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

Or bothered about staying at a B&B owned by persons that don't make them welcome.

[sp1814]

naomi24

You wrote:

[i]You say ‘gay people’ as though gay people exist only in the world you inhabit.[i]

That's an inference.

I wouldn't expect you to know about the counselling and support groups I've volunteered for over the past couple of decades.

[sp1814]

AOG

You may have a point there, why do they need to march anywhere?

Because it's less political now, and more of a great day out.

Perhaps you should go one year.

Everyone is welcome.

[ichkeria]

I love the way AnswerBank shows its caring side on selected occasions ;-)

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

Is that why they have high-jacked the word GAY?

A gay day out eh?

[Mamyalynne]

I believe you can still use the word in any sense you wish, I just checked.