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There'd be riots if they tried it. Looks like a continuation of project fear to me.
Being bound by EU rules would make exit irrelevant. We know change brings disruption. It's difficult to believe industry is that nervous of the challenge of coping with change unless they are all admitting that they are useless at their job and it'd show if asked to actually do it.
"Continuity", the new word to describe leaving on paper but not in reality.
Being bound by EU rules would make exit irrelevant. We know change brings disruption. It's difficult to believe industry is that nervous of the challenge of coping with change unless they are all admitting that they are useless at their job and it'd show if asked to actually do it.
"Continuity", the new word to describe leaving on paper but not in reality.
It's probably not impossible (though certainly not easy). But in any case it's not worth it because of the sheer damage to legitimacy and public faith in this country's political system which would take place if we avoided any form of leaving.
The people who won the Leave vote - people, just to be clear, who I think are profoundly wrong about a lot of things - haven't been listened to for decades, and going so far out of our way to ignore them once again will not make the UK less divided or make the country more harmonious or stable. Even with the finest set of laws in the world, democracy will only ever work if people actually feel invested in it, and like their votes genuinely mean anything. If they don't, it's a recipe for serious dysfunction and collapse.
If the government wrangle out of Brexit (something I feel will be a disaster, but hey ho) then our whole political system will undergo a serious legitimacy crisis that will have profound consequences lasting decades. I don't know exactly what this would look like, but I'm not sure the UK's vibrant political culture would ever recover. Which even next to the worst predictions for Brexit is probably not a price worth paying.
The people who won the Leave vote - people, just to be clear, who I think are profoundly wrong about a lot of things - haven't been listened to for decades, and going so far out of our way to ignore them once again will not make the UK less divided or make the country more harmonious or stable. Even with the finest set of laws in the world, democracy will only ever work if people actually feel invested in it, and like their votes genuinely mean anything. If they don't, it's a recipe for serious dysfunction and collapse.
If the government wrangle out of Brexit (something I feel will be a disaster, but hey ho) then our whole political system will undergo a serious legitimacy crisis that will have profound consequences lasting decades. I don't know exactly what this would look like, but I'm not sure the UK's vibrant political culture would ever recover. Which even next to the worst predictions for Brexit is probably not a price worth paying.
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My view on the subject is so well known on AB that it does not need repeating.
In that case what is the point of any thread at all. I know the opinions of the vast majority of regular contributors on most subjects that are regularly discussed.
I think I'm going to pedal to Aldi for some bacon.
My view on the subject is so well known on AB that it does not need repeating.
In that case what is the point of any thread at all. I know the opinions of the vast majority of regular contributors on most subjects that are regularly discussed.
I think I'm going to pedal to Aldi for some bacon.
Kromovaracun, you may be right that reversing out of Brexit would lead to a collapse of the British societal fabric - but is it not about to collapse either way ? The result of the referendum suggests that (allowing for a wavering "middle") a very large part of the UK population actually would happily stomp off backward beyond a cliff's edge, just to prove that they have the necessary determination and, after all, that is the way to recapture the past.
However, while there is an awful lot (most ?) seriously wrong with the internal workings of the UK, total dismantling/destruction is not necessarily the only available solution - unless nobody is up to the task of simply instigating and completing useful change (for said large portion, change is a nasty foreign concept unless it is reversal).
However, while there is an awful lot (most ?) seriously wrong with the internal workings of the UK, total dismantling/destruction is not necessarily the only available solution - unless nobody is up to the task of simply instigating and completing useful change (for said large portion, change is a nasty foreign concept unless it is reversal).
"..because of the sheer damage to legitimacy and public faith in this country's political system.."
Please, make it stop, my sides can't take much more!
Faith in a system that allows power to be bought like some bargain basement African republic or Balkan fiefdom turned member of the family of nations.
We're not leaving and there'll be no rioting due to apathy and football on the telly.
Please, make it stop, my sides can't take much more!
Faith in a system that allows power to be bought like some bargain basement African republic or Balkan fiefdom turned member of the family of nations.
We're not leaving and there'll be no rioting due to apathy and football on the telly.
I think it's getting increasingly unlikely that we will BREXIT, but we just have to keep our fingers crossed, Europe certainly don't want us to go and we'd be wise to backtrack as gracefully as possible before we blow ourselves out of the water by thinking we actually have any bargaining power whatsoever. In fairness to the Brexiters I do think it would be fair to have a further referendum on the proposed leaving deal, but in reality that would ensure we don't BREXIT as most people who caused the problem in the first place by voting leave when they didn't really understand the ramifications have now copped onto the fact that they were lied to massively, so I think it would be a moot point, a fair thing but a moot point. In any event I hope passionately that we don't leave.
pretty much what Kromovaracun says. There may come a point when it looks as if Brexit is going to be a disaster - the pound has already dropped about 15%, driving up inflation faster than pay is rising; Britain's now got the lowest growth in the G7, and it's barely started - but I don't think the government would dare back out of it.
It could happen, though, if austerity bites so hard that opinion polls start to show a clear majority for staying after all.
It could happen, though, if austerity bites so hard that opinion polls start to show a clear majority for staying after all.
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