What Is Other Ab Members Opinion?

[EDDIE51]

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/could-uk-stay-european-union-13296320
I am not commenting, just want others views.

[jno]

dream on about what, Kathyan? I'm just recounting what's happened on this site. Go back and look at some of the threads (eg about Gina Miller) if you don't believe me.

[THEMOTLEY1]

It would not be democratic to have another vote, you had your chance and I guess a lot of you couldn't be bothered to get out of bed.

[jno]

why wouldn't it be democratic to have another vote? We had a democratic general election this year, just two years after the one before. I don't recall any Brexiters claiming this was undemocratic; they seemed to think it was quite a good idea.

[douglas9401]

It wouldn't be democratic to favour of party of flat-Earth creationist zealots so as to prop up a bunch of elitist blowhard wasters but apparently, it is.

[kvalidir]

It was an advisory referendum anyway, not in any way legally or morally binding, it was supposed to be to garner public opinion, and if you think it's democratic to act upon a nearly tied vote then might I suggest you ought to reconsider why, and I got out of bed thanks very much as did everyone else I know because we had a moral obligation to stop this insanity.

[jno]

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[jno]

the ? was to Douglas, whose post I didn't understand.

[kvalidir]

well that makes two of us then Jno :)

[jourdain2]

I knew what I was voting for, I expected some turbulent times, but eventual success and prosperity. This is still my opinion about a post-Brexit future, as long as no remainers manage to fudge the issue by spreading Project Fear Pt. 2.. I think that could happen and in that case we would be a good deal worse off and, in fact, finished. I don't know any Brexiters who would vote any differently and I know a few Remainers who would now vote Leave. 'We have nothing to fear, but fear itself' has never been more true.

[Kathyan]

kvalidir you didn't say that. It sounded like your view. jno it seems that you would be happy if we were to remain in the EU, that's why I said dream on.

[-Talbot-]

Christ Almighty



However, while there is an awful lot (most ?) seriously wrong with the internal workings of the UK,

Europe certainly don't want us to go and we'd be wise to backtrack as gracefully as possible before we blow ourselves out of the water by thinking we actually have any bargaining power whatsoever.



And I have only read page 1
We're all doooomed I tell yer ... dooomed

[Kromovaracun]

//t was an advisory referendum anyway, not in any way legally or morally binding//

This is technically true, kvalidir, but it's just not how the vote was marketed (by both sides) to the public when it actually happened. People voted after being told - by both of the two Leave campaigns and the Remain campaign - that this vote was for keeps and that it would determine what our future relationship with the EU would be. The fact that it isn't legally binding in the small print has not diminished the impact that vote had on our political culture.

I am not and never have been a Brexiteer, but I think people really need to think of what the long-term of social impact of ignoring that result completely would be.

(N.B. I do not consider this a justification for hard Brexit, any more than I would have considered a Remain vote just cause to introduce the Euro/join Schengen etc.)

[kvalidir]

Kathyan, it IS my opinion but that's because it's such a well documented fact across all publications and all political persuasions. I thought it was such a well known observation that no-one would have taken it personally- however you chose to view it as a personal insult, that I in some way implied I was more intelligent than you, which i most certainly did not do. Many people were fooled by the daft stickers on the bus etc- see here for more Brexiteer misinformation in the run up to the vote and you might even see what I mean. now that most people have seen through this misinformation MANY Brexiteers are wishing they never voted to leave. http://brexitlies.com/

[hereIam]

I'm with you 100% Kathyann, I would vote 'out' again like a shot. But, we shouldn't have to ...... !

[-Talbot-]

kvalidir
Many people were fooled by the daft stickers on the bus etc- see here for more Brexiteer misinformation in the run up to the vote and you might even see what I mean. now that most people have seen through this misinformation MANY Brexiteers are wishing they never voted to leave. http://brexitlies.com/



From that link
the lie: The Leave campaign had that expensive looking bright red bus saying we'd give the £350m to the NHS instead of the EU every week. Their site was even counting how many hospitals they could build with that.


the bus
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/gettyimages-530966130.jpg?w=748&h=453&crop=1



Yes there is a lie ... but it ain't the bus telling fibs.

[Kathyan]

kvalidir, so which is it then, your opinion or the Daily Mail or all the media, because your posts aren't making any sense to me! Now you're on about the stickers on the bus which I wasn't fooled by either. They didn't promise anything they just said 'let's give the £350 million to the NHS'. It seems to me that you only see what you want to see. I'll leave it at that!

[Old_Geezer]

It should be obvious without pointing it out that it is undemocratic to keep having votes on the same issue until a particular result is achieved. That's EU tactics and we know how undemocratic they are. It's invalid to compare issue related votes with electing governments.

[Old_Geezer]

It's difficult to find Brexiter misinformation. But easy to spot project fear pushes, and attempts to claim the tide has turned. Brexit is still good, people will rightly protest if a democratic decision is betrayed. One quite reasonably keeps an eye on the government to ensure they don't get influenced by those determined to deny that decided on. Intelligent folk know change brings temporary disruption but that it is a small price to pay for escaping from external control and bring able to sort out one's own rosy future. No one I know would change their exit vote. But it's a crafty piece of propaganda for remainers to try. Thing is they have proven to call wolf far too many times already. Despite claims all is imminent disaster, things continue to be fine. Surely it's now time to accept remaining would be an error and if one has any desire for our country to do well, talk up rather than down, the UK position.

[jno]

it's not hard to find misinformation, OG. How far do you want to go back - straight bananas maybe?