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Can This Increase In Crime Be Credited Solely To The Lack Of Police On Our Streets?
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Or dare I suggest it may be partially due of the different cultural standards that we now have in this country?
I say this because in all the recent debates on this subject, many reasons have been put forward ie one parent families (no father figures) Falling Police resources due to Government cuts, Violent video games, cessation of stop and searches, etc, etc.
But nowhere has multiculturalism ever been mentioned, is it because of the fear that the dreaded racist card may be played?
Or dare I suggest it may be partially due of the different cultural standards that we now have in this country?
I say this because in all the recent debates on this subject, many reasons have been put forward ie one parent families (no father figures) Falling Police resources due to Government cuts, Violent video games, cessation of stop and searches, etc, etc.
But nowhere has multiculturalism ever been mentioned, is it because of the fear that the dreaded racist card may be played?
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AOG
Multiculturalism is not the biggest factor affecting crime figures.
In absolutely every society, economics and education is the bigger driver.
This is why there are far more prisoners with low educational attainment than those with good degrees in stable high-earning jobs.
That is what drives figures, rather than multiculturalism.
Look at unicultural parts of the world - Russia for example. High crime rates, but with very low levels of inward migration.
Multiculturalism is not the biggest factor affecting crime figures.
In absolutely every society, economics and education is the bigger driver.
This is why there are far more prisoners with low educational attainment than those with good degrees in stable high-earning jobs.
That is what drives figures, rather than multiculturalism.
Look at unicultural parts of the world - Russia for example. High crime rates, but with very low levels of inward migration.
If that was what you meant by sidetracking AOG, I was posting that in response to the previous post so it wasn't my sidetrack really was it?
Also, *you've* mentioned that multiculturalism may be a factor. Having mentioned that, presumably it's up to you to gather evidence to show this to be the case. That will require more than just the odd article here or there; official data would play a role in showing that link (or not). What I am saying, for now, is that on the surface it's not clear why you could take the idea seriously, when -- again! -- crime overall appears to have been falling at the same time as multiculturalism in this country has been rising.
I will admit, of course, that this last point isn't enough to refute your suggestion, because maybe the fall in crime rate would have happened anyway, but faster, in a less multicultural society. But there's not much point in making a suggestion based on I don't know what if you don't then investigate the idea thoroughly, and be mindful of why you are investigating in the first place.
Also, *you've* mentioned that multiculturalism may be a factor. Having mentioned that, presumably it's up to you to gather evidence to show this to be the case. That will require more than just the odd article here or there; official data would play a role in showing that link (or not). What I am saying, for now, is that on the surface it's not clear why you could take the idea seriously, when -- again! -- crime overall appears to have been falling at the same time as multiculturalism in this country has been rising.
I will admit, of course, that this last point isn't enough to refute your suggestion, because maybe the fall in crime rate would have happened anyway, but faster, in a less multicultural society. But there's not much point in making a suggestion based on I don't know what if you don't then investigate the idea thoroughly, and be mindful of why you are investigating in the first place.
Islay
//introduced by followers of a certain culture. //
/// OK who did you mean here ///
Simply "Followers of a certain culture".
See not a mention of religion.
Regarding honour attacks, in 2010, UK police recorded at least 2,823 so-called honour attacks, figures from 39 out of 52 forces show.
/// Such attacks can include acid attacks, abduction, mutilations, beatings and in some cases, murder. ///
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I'm being good today, on this thread I have only used reports from The Independent, The Guardian and now the BBC.
Not a mention of the Daily Mail, that's got to make some happy, but it is a pity because of extreme loyalty to these publications, they can't now shoot the messenger.
//introduced by followers of a certain culture. //
/// OK who did you mean here ///
Simply "Followers of a certain culture".
See not a mention of religion.
Regarding honour attacks, in 2010, UK police recorded at least 2,823 so-called honour attacks, figures from 39 out of 52 forces show.
/// Such attacks can include acid attacks, abduction, mutilations, beatings and in some cases, murder. ///
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I'm being good today, on this thread I have only used reports from The Independent, The Guardian and now the BBC.
Not a mention of the Daily Mail, that's got to make some happy, but it is a pity because of extreme loyalty to these publications, they can't now shoot the messenger.
sp1814
No one said that it is the highest factor, but surely it goes a long way and Multiculturalism has had a huge effect on the crime levels, no matter how you and others wish to deny it.
/// Look at unicultural parts of the world - Russia for example. High crime rates, but with very low levels of inward migration. ///
If you want to look further abroad as obviously you do, just look at the USA not to mention, South Africa, the Caribbean, Nigeria, Colombia, Somalia, El Salvador, Venezuela, Honduras, Mexico Guatemala.
No one said that it is the highest factor, but surely it goes a long way and Multiculturalism has had a huge effect on the crime levels, no matter how you and others wish to deny it.
/// Look at unicultural parts of the world - Russia for example. High crime rates, but with very low levels of inward migration. ///
If you want to look further abroad as obviously you do, just look at the USA not to mention, South Africa, the Caribbean, Nigeria, Colombia, Somalia, El Salvador, Venezuela, Honduras, Mexico Guatemala.
sp1814
/// By the way AOG - has anyone actually said that the rise in crime figures being solely down to the lack of police on the streets? ///
Listening to the radio watching TV reports and reading news reports, the Labour party are placing it firmly on the lack of police resources.
I am just asking the question:
Can This Increase In Crime Be Credited Solely To The Lack Of Police On Our Streets?
Or are there other factors? Obviously there are, if one doesn't want to use it as just for political point gathering.
But then are we also told all the factors or are some being manipulated for some reason?
Just a good subject for debate I thought even if it is a little controversial.
/// By the way AOG - has anyone actually said that the rise in crime figures being solely down to the lack of police on the streets? ///
Listening to the radio watching TV reports and reading news reports, the Labour party are placing it firmly on the lack of police resources.
I am just asking the question:
Can This Increase In Crime Be Credited Solely To The Lack Of Police On Our Streets?
Or are there other factors? Obviously there are, if one doesn't want to use it as just for political point gathering.
But then are we also told all the factors or are some being manipulated for some reason?
Just a good subject for debate I thought even if it is a little controversial.
Jim.....i have followed your posts and have agreed entirely with your conclusions,however, I would hesitate to base any conclusions or formulate any policies based on statistics produced by the ONS or indeed any other state controlled institute particularly the NHS.
Yes....irrational that i am and call me a cynic.
The cause of increased crime, based on a lifetime of experience and a "feeling in my belly" is multifactorial with the lack of police on the streets playing a small, but maybe significant part.
Anecdotal? absolutely.
Yes....irrational that i am and call me a cynic.
The cause of increased crime, based on a lifetime of experience and a "feeling in my belly" is multifactorial with the lack of police on the streets playing a small, but maybe significant part.
Anecdotal? absolutely.
// Sqad, sorry to disagree with you but,speaking from experience,putting more bobbies on the beat does not reduce crime.There are many crimes that do not take place on the streets.//
O god the voice of reason at long last
most murders - they dont go onto the streets and say
hey evrybardy I am gonna butcher this guy nearest me
if they DID ( which they dont ) then the lack of police on the beat may have an effect. but most nurders are not on the street
( you are most likely to be murdered by someone you know and not on the street)
we have heard that the homicide figures jumped by 100 because Hillsborough was re-recorded
and then someone vacantly asks - was this caused by lack of police
well no - hillsborough was caused by police who WERE there
and what about rampant rabid multiculturalism ?
no I think the police man involved was white
O god the voice of reason at long last
most murders - they dont go onto the streets and say
hey evrybardy I am gonna butcher this guy nearest me
if they DID ( which they dont ) then the lack of police on the beat may have an effect. but most nurders are not on the street
( you are most likely to be murdered by someone you know and not on the street)
we have heard that the homicide figures jumped by 100 because Hillsborough was re-recorded
and then someone vacantly asks - was this caused by lack of police
well no - hillsborough was caused by police who WERE there
and what about rampant rabid multiculturalism ?
no I think the police man involved was white
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