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Can This Increase In Crime Be Credited Solely To The Lack Of Police On Our Streets?
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Or dare I suggest it may be partially due of the different cultural standards that we now have in this country?
I say this because in all the recent debates on this subject, many reasons have been put forward ie one parent families (no father figures) Falling Police resources due to Government cuts, Violent video games, cessation of stop and searches, etc, etc.
But nowhere has multiculturalism ever been mentioned, is it because of the fear that the dreaded racist card may be played?
Or dare I suggest it may be partially due of the different cultural standards that we now have in this country?
I say this because in all the recent debates on this subject, many reasons have been put forward ie one parent families (no father figures) Falling Police resources due to Government cuts, Violent video games, cessation of stop and searches, etc, etc.
But nowhere has multiculturalism ever been mentioned, is it because of the fear that the dreaded racist card may be played?
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Islay
No alternative agenda! Islay, just a reason that has never been mentioned.
Take the USA one couldn't be more multicultural than them, take their crime records, the Italians and Sicilians and the Latinos just to mention a couple.
You also asked for proof, well this is an extract from the report.
/// There was also a large rise in the assault without injury category that includes modern slavery, which rose by 1,385 offences, ///
Who carries out much of the modern slavery crimes?
No alternative agenda! Islay, just a reason that has never been mentioned.
Take the USA one couldn't be more multicultural than them, take their crime records, the Italians and Sicilians and the Latinos just to mention a couple.
You also asked for proof, well this is an extract from the report.
/// There was also a large rise in the assault without injury category that includes modern slavery, which rose by 1,385 offences, ///
Who carries out much of the modern slavery crimes?
AOG
There's an easy way to test the hypothesis.
All you need to do is look at an area within the UK with an extremely low level of multiculturalism, and compare crime stats.
Are the figures for Northern Island markedly different to England?
If not, then arguably, those who blame multiculturalism can be accused of having an agenda.
Let's not be afraid to use the word racist where it fits.
There's an easy way to test the hypothesis.
All you need to do is look at an area within the UK with an extremely low level of multiculturalism, and compare crime stats.
Are the figures for Northern Island markedly different to England?
If not, then arguably, those who blame multiculturalism can be accused of having an agenda.
Let's not be afraid to use the word racist where it fits.
sp1814
/// All you need to do is look at an area within the UK with an extremely low level of multiculturalism, and compare crime stats. ///
Let's turn that on it's head shall we.
"All you need to do is look at an area within the UK with an extremely high level of multiculturalism, and compare crime stats".
Tower Hamlets, springs to mind.
/// All you need to do is look at an area within the UK with an extremely low level of multiculturalism, and compare crime stats. ///
Let's turn that on it's head shall we.
"All you need to do is look at an area within the UK with an extremely high level of multiculturalism, and compare crime stats".
Tower Hamlets, springs to mind.
The thing is though that the rise in multiculturalism is a long-term trend, dating back easily to the 1950s and, perhaps, accelerating lately. But the long-term trend in crime figures is downwards, or at least that's what you see in the "Crime Survery" figures over the police recording data.
Possibly the Crime Survey figures are worth paying more attention to, because while they are only estimates they are less sensitive to official reporting standards that can vary year-on-year and between police forces. Also, I'm absolutely not suggesting that multiculturalism has driven a decrease in crime. Rather, I'm saying that the picture is stupidly messy and trying to pin annual variations on any one factor, or even two, is just completely misguided.
It's also worth pointing out that there was a 26% rise in homicide figures last year, but that drops to about 7% or something of that order when you remove the 96 victims of Hillsborough, who were included in homicide official figures last year even though the actual incident was in 1989 (owing to an anomaly about how "reporting" works; the inquest verdict was returned last year).
Possibly the Crime Survey figures are worth paying more attention to, because while they are only estimates they are less sensitive to official reporting standards that can vary year-on-year and between police forces. Also, I'm absolutely not suggesting that multiculturalism has driven a decrease in crime. Rather, I'm saying that the picture is stupidly messy and trying to pin annual variations on any one factor, or even two, is just completely misguided.
It's also worth pointing out that there was a 26% rise in homicide figures last year, but that drops to about 7% or something of that order when you remove the 96 victims of Hillsborough, who were included in homicide official figures last year even though the actual incident was in 1989 (owing to an anomaly about how "reporting" works; the inquest verdict was returned last year).
The presumption that non-WASPs are naturally more criminally inclined has no more support in the statistics than the presumption that WASPs are rather disinclined toward crime (each a direct corollary to the other). However, the types of crime involved in each case are possibly/probably noticeably different - all to do with the pressures felt by and motivating each of the groups.
I for one would like to see the breakdown to see if multiculturalism is part of the problem, the refusal to do so seems to indicate some may well think, or know, it is.
However these 'increases' need to be looked at with the data as a whole. For instance if a mass murderer is about then murders will appear to have dramatically increased, although only one nutter is the problem.
As always there are lies, damn lies and Statistics.
However these 'increases' need to be looked at with the data as a whole. For instance if a mass murderer is about then murders will appear to have dramatically increased, although only one nutter is the problem.
As always there are lies, damn lies and Statistics.
As always, there are statistics (generally trustworthy), and there are what people read into them (often utter ***). That's the problem here I think. The ONS itself has made clear that much of the rise in recorded crime can be attributed to better recording; as recorded crime figures have remained essentially flat since 1998, it might be argued based on that that overall crime rates have been decreasing, as indeed is shown in the Crime Survey figures.
As for Bigbad's post, I believe that's just another example of selection bias.
As for Bigbad's post, I believe that's just another example of selection bias.
jim360
Yes Jim, but don't you think that we should be able to discuss the affect that the introduction of multiculturalism has had on crime without the fear of being classed as racists?
Look how even the police and local authorities refused to address the Asian child abduction cases in fear of being called racist.
Why are we muffled? Such situations as this should not be allowed to exist in a country of free speech.
Yes Jim, but don't you think that we should be able to discuss the affect that the introduction of multiculturalism has had on crime without the fear of being classed as racists?
Look how even the police and local authorities refused to address the Asian child abduction cases in fear of being called racist.
Why are we muffled? Such situations as this should not be allowed to exist in a country of free speech.
I guess it depends on what your motivation for discussing the connection is, as opposed to all of the other factors worth considering (natural variation, changes in recording practices, population increase, etc etc). And, for that matter, how you'd react to discovering that there (probably) isn't such a connection.
jim360
/// As always, there are statistics (generally trustworthy), and there are what people read into them (often utter ***). That's the problem here I think. ///
Yes that is certainly the problem, that being what you have enclosed in brackets, everything that isn't PC to discuss is Utter ***
Proof of the pudding one might say.
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/// As always, there are statistics (generally trustworthy), and there are what people read into them (often utter ***). That's the problem here I think. ///
Yes that is certainly the problem, that being what you have enclosed in brackets, everything that isn't PC to discuss is Utter ***
Proof of the pudding one might say.
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I wasn't making a PC point, AOG. People abuse statistics all the time. I am sure I do myself, although I try not to. As a case in point, I noted that there has been a long-term decrease in crime levels at the same time as multiculturalism's been on the rise in this country; but even putting those two statistics in the same sentence risks implying a correlation where there is none.
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