Could This Monster Be One Of Those 'child' Migrants We Have Taken In?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4763204/College-student-inflicted-prolonged-sustained-rape.html

/// This young man was passed from pillar to post and country to country essentially. He has been subject to a very unsatisfactory life until he moved to Newcastle and studied in Gateshead. ///

[albaqwerty]

a monster is a monster irrespective of nationality or origin.

Lots of people have been subjected to a very unsatisfactory life but most don't become muggers, rapists or muderers I think
(don't have any link to support that suggestion.

'Mr Ekwall Tiwana, defending, said that his client was very drunk at the time of the offence and had only been drunk once before in his life.'

Being drunk is surely no defence? Obviously the scuzzbucket didn't suffer from brewer's droop.
Hope he gets the maximum sentences.

[Celtigra3]

Rapists regardless of race should have the garden shears taken to them without anaesthetic.

[Zacs-Master]

Is the crime worse if he were a child migrant or just a migrant? Why have you chosen to speculate that he might have been one of those?

[jno]

not a defence, alba, but offered in mitigation, which the judge may or may not take into consideration when sentencing. (He probably decided not to.)

What his actual defence was, the Mail does not report.

[Sqad]

In a nutshell....yes he could have been.

[douglas9401]

Sigh, I doubt he was passed from pillar to post etc by an airline or reputable maritime service so on balance, yes, he's likely anotcats or dubious family tiesher great loss to the law, medicine or engineering.

Hopefully be able to pop off home when he's done his time, no mention of pet cats or dodgy family ties.

[douglas9401]

Sorry, seems to have been a wee problemo there.

[andy-hughes]

Yes, he could be.

And your point is?

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

No the crime would not have been worse, but if he does happen to be one of those controversial 'child' migrants that we heard so much about at the time, then if the authorities had not been so easily tricked, he might not have arrived here and that brutal rape and assault would never have taken place, not by that particular piece of garbage at least.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - that is faulty logic, and is impossible to apply.

If the next person to assault a woman has red hair, should we look at monitoring all red-headed children, in case they grow up to do the same thing?

Sociopaths and criminals are created in tandem with their ethnicity and experience, not directly because of it.

Would you be asking the question if the man was a British born GP - Harold Shipman for example?

[Zacs-Master]

You just used 'if' twice, followed by 'might', demonstrating your peculiar desire to think this horrible crime was perpetrated by such a person. I've no idea why you would want this to be the case and I find it more than a little perverse.

[anotheoldgit]

I would if we once had the chance for us not to make him a doctor.

[Zacs-Master]

You really need to familiarise yourself with what constitutes a non sequitur AOG.

Your last post is a classic example.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //I would if we once had the chance for us not to make him a doctor. //

I am unsure what that means - care to explain a little more fully?

[Zacs-Master]

AH, he's now trying to link illegal immigrants with those who come here and become valuable members of society......I think.

[murraymints]

excuse me ..but "off wi' his bits "

[albaqwerty]

I'm baffled.

How does one get the chance to make sure one doesn't become a doctor?

[andy-hughes]

alba - I think we are all finding that even cursory examination of the question demolishes it very quickly.
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Could this man be a 'child immigrant'? As I said, he could, but that has no bearing on his behaviour.

If, as AOG appears to infer, his life and experience made him a rapist, then why are all imigrants not criminals, and why are not all UK natives paragons of virtue?

Because, as I pointed out - this logic is flawed, and the debate is losing traction with every subsequent post.

[Mamyalynne]

I don't know if he was a child migrant.


He needs to be locked up for longer.

Nasty individual.

[donny48]

Whatever his background he deserves a far longer sentence than this, I don't think as a man I can possibly understand the effect on a woman to have this happen. The only time a man could understand is in a case of male rape which is still relatively rare.