Have The Liberal Left Gone Too Far?

[youngmafbog]

What gives them the right to destroy their countries history? The left act as a mob and seem to think they should be immune from prosecution.

Until both sides pack in the violence, but particularly the left who also appear to think they can suppress freedom of speech with violence, I can see no end in sight.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4789478/Several-Confederate-memorials-vandalized-one-removed.html#comments

[mikey4444]

YMB...didn't the Far Right act "as a mob" as well ?

The furore at Charlottesville wasn't just about the Lee statue. The Far Right, including racist groups like the KKK, had been besieging the City for weeks.

[naomi24]

Wanton destruction. Disgraceful!

[jim360]

People at the White Nationalist rally were literally carrying around Nazi flags, making Nazi salutes, and shouting "Jews will not replace us", and it's the Left that have to stop going "too far"?

It goes without saying that I don't condone destruction of property in this way, and it's sad to see -- mainly because it gives people an excuse to ignore the more serious problem.

[gulliver1]

You could always try putting your own Country in order first.

[Old_Geezer]

Sounds the sort of thing one expects the Taliban to do. Maybe the Americans will follow up with a book burning session next. And chuck a few flags on the fire too. I'm sure suggesting it is because of racism acts as a fine excuse.

[Old_Geezer]

And trying to erase history is not a left/right divide.

[Togo]

Right wing violence=bad. Left wing violence=good. Donncha know?

[mikey4444]

Togo....no one is saying that. But the Far Right invaded the City. Everybody, even Trump, now agrees that they are reprehensible.

[naomi24]

I think everyone should also agree that the actions of the far left are reprehensible, but I’m seeing what reads as justification from some here.

[ummmm]

Neither side are justified.

[-Talbot-]

One post in and the subject is changed from lefty violence and destruction to righty violence.
Someone needs to practice what they preach.

The left started smashing America up almost the instant Trump won the election, the left on AB have never been interested in condemning it.

[jackthehat]

I don't think removing contentious statues 'destroys a country's history'.

The statue was erected at a time when the the City-fathers (being white men) felt it was appropriate to do so......and any dissenting voices (being non-white folks) could be safely ignored.

Times have moved on and those folks who don't want to look at statues of people who were instrumental in their oppression now have a voice to say so.

The (American) far-right have never needed much of an excuse to start screaming about any perceived infringement of their cherished 'Constitutional Rights', however , the Southern-American far-right have a considerably nastier record when it comes to protecting these rights.

The 'left' in America are anyone not 'of the (far) right'......i.e. slightly right of centre, Centrists and those just slightly to the left. Full-on 'lefties' as catalogued in the UK are few and far-between in USA.

I don't think there can be any doubt that the 'right-wing' in this instance were more badly behaved than the 'left'. Indeed, the 'left', in this case, seem to be those objecting to the statue and I'm not sure that it is accurate to brand them *all* lefty-democrats; you can't possibly know where they would place themselves on the political spectrum other than acknowledge they were present and objecting to the 'far-right'.

[anotheoldgit]

I wonder if the 'usual suspects' will be demanding that Trump personally condemns the Far-Left for this wanton vandalism?

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// The statue was erected at a time when the the City-fathers (being white men) felt it was appropriate to do so......and any dissenting voices (being non-white folks) could be safely ignored. ///

More than likely the 'non-white folk' couldn't care less about the statues, after all they have been in place for many years, no the 'none white folk' are being egged on by those far-left white folk.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/15/03/434339A100000578-4789478-image-a-19_1502764363386.jpg

[jackthehat]

"More than likely......", eh, AOG?

Hardly definitive is it?

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

Oh and I suppose you would be able to look into the minds and hearts of every 'none white' person in the USA.

[jackthehat]

Of course not.....but neither do I preface my own prejudices with weasel-phrases such as 'more than likely'....

[ichkeria]

It rather depends whose side you are on as to which "mob" you are willing to be indulgent towards.
Should statues of Lenin and other figures of the Soviet past be left intact? What about Saddam, Felix Dzerzhinsky, etc?

[youngmafbog]

So what I am seeing on here from quite a few is that it is acceptable to pull down statues and for ob rule providing it is for left wing ideology.

I find it rather disturbing that some feel the need to immediately attack the right (we have already established in previous threads they were wrong) rather than say the left are acting in a criminal; way. Even more hypercritical since the left were all up in arms because DT didnt use the right words.

//I don't think removing contentious statues 'destroys a country's history'//

No, but that is not the issue here is it? If a statue is to be removed it should be done in a democratic way not mob criminal damage.


I thought this might happen, worryingly I was correct.

[ichkeria]

Some might say that attacking living humans on account of their race or beliefs was of a different order to vandalism, objectionable as that may be.