Apart From What Happened When A Single Mad Person Ploughed Into The Crowd And Killed One Woman And Injuring Others, Were The Far-Right Within Their Rights To Protest Against The Removal Of A Historic Confederate General's Statue?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4794870/Minister-hits-Trump-row-neo-Nazi-rally-violence.html

I believe they were, and if the Far-Left choose to violently oppose them, then they should be equally laid to blame, without the need for Trump or anyone else be made to blame just one side specifically.

So Mr Sajid Javid and Shadow defence secretary Nia Griffith, stop your talk about the President of the USA defending Neo-Nazis so should not be allowed a State Visit to the UK.

[-Talbot-]

In all honesty, sp ... I went more for the music. There has never been any true racial tension round here ... we leave that to the likes of them Londoners.

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

/// I'm not going to "unequivocally" condemn people who would not have been there were it not for the first group ///

It matters not, the Left are always there whenever the Right decide to protest against what they decide is necessary, the same can't be said when the Left take to the streets as they so often do, then you won't see the Right coming onto the streets to oppose the Left.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

Don't you dare refer to me as a quisling, I unlike you, know the 'REAL' Nazis for what they really were, and they wasn't a band of yobos who think it is smart to wave a few flags and give Nazi salutes, they were much more frightening than that.

And until these modern day so called "Nazis" commit acts of genocide and construct concentration camps along with their gas houses and crematoriums then there is nothing to fear from them.

Banning them from waving flags and giving certain salutes is no different from your 'Black lives matter' flags and 'Black Power' salutes, should we ban them also?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

You are quick to condemn what is happening over in the USA, especially by the White supremacists etc, but I have yet to hear you condemn what is happening to the white farmers over in South Africa.

Could it be you are a little selective over who you condemn?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// I still think that driving a car into the counter-demonstrators was a little...over the top. ///

I don't know how many demonstrators there were, but you are always going to get some lone nutter who is going to take matters completely out of hand, especially if that particular person happens to have a mental problem which is obvious in this case, I mean what normal person would commit such a violent act of murder as this?

[-Talbot-]

And breath ..

[-Talbot-]

+e

[Khandro]

As far as I can make out, "White supremacist" is a pejorative term given by the left to anyone they consider to be of the far right. It isn't an actual group like say the KKK or Black Power

People don't actually self-identify as such, am I correct?

[Garaman]

It is used by the Right as well, Khandro, though what you deem Left might depend on where you sit yourself.

[anotheoldgit]

We have heard much against racism from the Left here, but strangely enough we heard very little from them regarding the racism against white girls committed mainly by those Pakistani gangs.

[Khandro]

Garaman; //It is used by the Right as well, //

To what purpose, do you say that people call themselves white supremacists and have a flag?
By the left (in this particular instance) I refer to those knuckleheads in black masks with flame-throwers and baseball bats who started the agro by trying to prevent the authorised march.

[Garaman]

I don't follow what you are saying, Khandro. I consider myself on the right of the political spectrum, but I would still use the term to refer to those extremists.

[Khandro]

So what you are saying is among those protesting against the statue removal etc were some extremists that might be called white supremacists?

[naomi24]

Khandro, //People don't actually self-identify as such [white supremacists] am I correct?//

I don’t think you are. I believe those people are, personally, very confident in their self-perceived supremacy – and the organisations they belong to endorse their delusions.

[Garaman]

//So what you are saying is among those protesting against the statue removal etc were some extremists that might be called white supremacists?//

Have you lost the plot?

[Khandro]

n. // the organisations they belong to endorse their delusions.// I'm trying to establish if there is such an organization (with a flag) to 'belong' to, or is W.S. simply a derogatory term.
i think it is an important point because many have said it was a W.S. rally.

[naomi24]

Khandro, I think it would be fair to call the Ku Klux Klan white supremacists. They have a flag.

[Khandro]

//Have you lost the plot? //
No, and neither had Donald Trump, it wasn't a w.s. rally at all. It was a march against the statue issue and among them were some extremists who might be called 'white supremacists'.

[Garaman]

Khandro, let's not be silly, it was organised by Jason Kessler and has been described as one of the largest white supremacist events in recent US history.

I actually didn't think Trump was wrong to criticise those who went armed to oppose the protesters, and have said so on here, they should have just ignored them.

[Khandro]

G. By whom?