Labour Creeping Up The Polls, As We Enter The Party Conference Season

[mikey4444]

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Just a snap shot of course, but its interesting to see how the decline of the Tories is still happening.

[ToraToraTora]

the thing is mikey, the last election was the most polarized in history, the number of votes both labour and the tories got would normally have delivered either a substantial majority. A perfect storm of Mrs May's errors and Corbyn's excellent utilisation of the opportunities meant that the 2 parties more or less cancelled each other out. I doubt those conditions will exist next time. The Tories will have a new leader and learned those lessons and Labour will be relying on support from students etc who are notoriously difficult to get to the polls. I don't think we'll ever see KJJ in No 10.

[Zacs-Master]

Mikey, your posts are full of contradictions:

'The last thing the Tories need now is a Leadership Election'

'History has shown us how savage the Tories can be, when they scent a danger of Labour winning a future Election'

'if May were to call yet another Election, Labour would probably win'

[ToraToraTora]

I expect DD will assume the leadership in mid 2019 after brexit, giving him plenty of time to get ready for the 2022 election. Thank the good old limp dums for fixed parliaments eh!

[Zacs-Master]

The Fixed-term Parliaments Act of 2011 was part of the Conservative–Liberal Democrat coalition.

[mikey4444]

Well, we shall just have to see !

I can recall people saying the Labour was never going to be electable after the 1979 Election, but that proved wrong....very wrong given the result in May 1997.

One of the only things that Enoch Powell ever said that I agreed with was :::::::

‘All political careers end in failure’

May will be seen in the future as a disastrous Leader of the Tory Party.

[Zacs-Master]

I suppose one thing you learn as a Labour supporter is patience.

[ToraToraTora]

yes, ZM, like the referendum on PR it was a bauble demanded by the limp dums in exchange for their support.

yes mikey they won in 1997 by pretending to be tories, must make you very proud.

[mikey4444]

Zacs...yeah, but it was worth it when the morning of the 2nd of May 1997 dawned !

[Zacs-Master]

Thanks for correcting your post Tora.

[ToraToraTora]

mikey: "All political careers end in failure’" - well that used to be true, I think Lord Farage has demonstrated that they don't have to.

[Sqad]

"I can recall people saying the Labour was never going to be electable after the 1979 Election, but that proved wrong....very wrong given the result in May 1997. "

Quite correct mikey...BUT....remember 1992? Unemployment rising, recession well established...ALL the polls said Labour...probably landslide......was there for the taking for Labour......winner?
The Tories......John Major.

Folks...what about my comment about Trump.....no comments from the "knockers."

[mikey4444]

One of the main reasons why the Tories failed so miserably in 1997, ( only 165 seats ) is that they were unelectable, and led by a nice but useless wassock.

[gulliver1]

Think Rees Mogg would make an excellent leader of the Con Party.
He has all the qualifications, educated at Eton ,also Trinity ,
never had a real job, and probably thinks only the working class should pay tax, yes a true Con.

[mikey4444]

Sqad..........Major entered the 1992 Election with 376 MPs, down 40 on 1987, and Labour gained 42 more, over the same time frame, and no distraction was needed from any minor partty.

All Major did was to give Britain another 5 more years of weak and unstable government, under a weak and indecisive Leader. As soon as the next opportunity came, the people kicked him and his Party into the long grass, where they stayed for another 13 years.

All regimes run out of steam eventually.

[ToraToraTora]

mikey: "..... and led by a nice but useless wassock. " - who still managed to beat Kinnochio in 1992! PMSL!

[mikey4444]

Just been down to the Village for my Observer ::::

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/02/tory-mps-threaten-theresa-may-over-brexit-votes

Perhaps the Grey Wolves are massing after all ?

[Kromovaracun]

//like the referendum on PR //

There was never a referendum on PR.

[Kromovaracun]

Also Mikey it's probably worth pointing out that when the public did eventually vote for Labour again in '97, it did so when the leadership were to all intents and purposes Tory.

Personally, I'd prefer Labour in govt now than the Conservatives. Even though the election result was surprisingly good for them, I'm still not sure it's going to happen.

[mikey4444]

TTT...so if that nice but dim Major managed to beat Labour in 1992, why did he fail so miserably in 1997 ?

[NoMercy]

The day Jezza gets into no 10, we can kiss this country goodbye.