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According to Conservative Home, Jacob Rees Mogg has emerged as the favourite among Tory grassroots as the next leader.
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Obviously, grassroots support is not as important in the Conservative party as it is in Labour. But does this make him a serious contender or do you still consider him a joke?
In the un/likely event of a Rees Mogg leadership entering a face off with Corbyn, who do you think would win?
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Obviously, grassroots support is not as important in the Conservative party as it is in Labour. But does this make him a serious contender or do you still consider him a joke?
In the un/likely event of a Rees Mogg leadership entering a face off with Corbyn, who do you think would win?
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I would never regard RM as a joke, as he is far too brainy and clever for that !
But he is popular at the moment, mainly because he gives such good entertainment value when being interviewed, but a Man of the People he certainly isn't.
If there was a straight contest between him and Corbyn, my money would be on Corbyn every time, and that has nothing to do with the fact I am a Labour supporter !
But he is popular at the moment, mainly because he gives such good entertainment value when being interviewed, but a Man of the People he certainly isn't.
If there was a straight contest between him and Corbyn, my money would be on Corbyn every time, and that has nothing to do with the fact I am a Labour supporter !
Morning Sqad !
The last thing that the Tories need right now is a Leadership battle and RM is far too bright to be led into that fray. But there is many a slip. twixt cup and lip, and I would personally be surprised if Mrs May is still leading the good fight in June 2022.
Her ex-Chancellor described her as a dean woman walking, and I think he is dead on there.
The last thing that the Tories need right now is a Leadership battle and RM is far too bright to be led into that fray. But there is many a slip. twixt cup and lip, and I would personally be surprised if Mrs May is still leading the good fight in June 2022.
Her ex-Chancellor described her as a dean woman walking, and I think he is dead on there.
If Rees Mogg did become leader, my partner I would probably need to leave the country purely out of fear that my Civil Partnership would no longer be recognised in the near future.
In my own not-too-limited experience, grassroots members of the Conservative party tend to be far worse people than the average person on the street, so I'd like to think that this level of preference is not representative of how well JRM would do in the wider public. But Corbyn is also very unpopular (although a bit less so than he was a month ago), so I'm not sure.
In my own not-too-limited experience, grassroots members of the Conservative party tend to be far worse people than the average person on the street, so I'd like to think that this level of preference is not representative of how well JRM would do in the wider public. But Corbyn is also very unpopular (although a bit less so than he was a month ago), so I'm not sure.
here is what I wrote on a similar thread the other day:
"the thing is mikey, the last election was the most polarized in history, the number of votes both labour and the tories got would normally have delivered either a substantial majority. A perfect storm of Mrs May's errors and Corbyn's excellent utilisation of the opportunities meant that the 2 parties more or less cancelled each other out. I doubt those conditions will exist next time. The Tories will have a new leader and learned those lessons and Labour will be relying on support from students etc who are notoriously difficult to get to the polls. I don't think we'll ever see KJJ in No 10. "
"the thing is mikey, the last election was the most polarized in history, the number of votes both labour and the tories got would normally have delivered either a substantial majority. A perfect storm of Mrs May's errors and Corbyn's excellent utilisation of the opportunities meant that the 2 parties more or less cancelled each other out. I doubt those conditions will exist next time. The Tories will have a new leader and learned those lessons and Labour will be relying on support from students etc who are notoriously difficult to get to the polls. I don't think we'll ever see KJJ in No 10. "
TTT....I think you grossly underestimate how successful Labour was in June. They came close to winning....something that most people on here have been saying wasn't possible.
Yes....May made a huge tactical error in calling the Election and once she did, she just made things worse for herself and her Party, which is why she will be stabbed in the back at some point in the future.
But it wasn't all Mays fault.....Corbyn has a lot to do with the Labours increasing popularity, what ever you and other right-wingers think.
Yes....May made a huge tactical error in calling the Election and once she did, she just made things worse for herself and her Party, which is why she will be stabbed in the back at some point in the future.
But it wasn't all Mays fault.....Corbyn has a lot to do with the Labours increasing popularity, what ever you and other right-wingers think.
As I've said many times before on AB, I find Corbyn the least objectionable prospective leader by a fairly long way at this point (though there is plenty about him I dislike).
Having said that, I genuinely don't know whether he would have been so successful in the election if a) expectations hadn't been so low to begin with and b) May hadn't run such a disastrous, vile campaign. When the next election comes, they probably won't do that again.
Having said that, I genuinely don't know whether he would have been so successful in the election if a) expectations hadn't been so low to begin with and b) May hadn't run such a disastrous, vile campaign. When the next election comes, they probably won't do that again.
Krom, why not make plans to leave now and be done with your fear that all the laws will be ripped up and abandoned the minute someone who doesn't agree with you gets in power.
You are fuelling your own project fear when there clearly isn't one.
No leader or party for that matter will rip up perfectly good and reasonable laws and legislation. Unless you have missed it we don't live in a dictatorship or autocracy or even North Korea.
This is the UK and as much as some people may or may not agree with plenty of the things that goes on here we don't tend to change things so that a minority can be purposefully hounded. Look at the all talk and no action on Burkas! And some see that as a clear and present danger to the cohesion of society!!
Get a grip. Stop your own personal project fear. Stop transposing that onto the wider audience.
You are fuelling your own project fear when there clearly isn't one.
No leader or party for that matter will rip up perfectly good and reasonable laws and legislation. Unless you have missed it we don't live in a dictatorship or autocracy or even North Korea.
This is the UK and as much as some people may or may not agree with plenty of the things that goes on here we don't tend to change things so that a minority can be purposefully hounded. Look at the all talk and no action on Burkas! And some see that as a clear and present danger to the cohesion of society!!
Get a grip. Stop your own personal project fear. Stop transposing that onto the wider audience.
It's actually very easy to get bad laws passed very quickly in the UK (the Dangerous Dogs Act, for example, was whipped up out of nowhere in the 90s due to a media frenzy and passed into law remarkably quickly despite being garbage). Plus there are very, very few constraints on the kinds of laws the Commons can theoretically pass, because we have an unwritten constitution.
//This is the UK and as much as some people may or may not agree with plenty of the things that goes on here we don't tend to change things so that a minority can be purposefully hounded. //
That's because we don't tend to elect leaders who want to do it. Aside from keeping a majority of MPs on your side, that's pretty much the only constraint. If you have a commons majority, you can do it. It would not be at all difficult for the UK's system of government to be used for that purpose if someone of that nature held power, in my opinion.
//This is the UK and as much as some people may or may not agree with plenty of the things that goes on here we don't tend to change things so that a minority can be purposefully hounded. //
That's because we don't tend to elect leaders who want to do it. Aside from keeping a majority of MPs on your side, that's pretty much the only constraint. If you have a commons majority, you can do it. It would not be at all difficult for the UK's system of government to be used for that purpose if someone of that nature held power, in my opinion.
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