Should Skirts Be Banned So As To Cater For Transgender Pupils?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4857064/Secondary-school-BANS-skirts-gender-neutral-uniform.html

/// 'Another issue was that we have a small but increasing number of transgender students and therefore having the same uniform is important for them.' ///

Amazing, can anyone remember any mention of transgender issues, say 18 months ago?

In fact I have just noticed that my spell checker does not even recognise the word.

[ludwig]

I think it's a good idea. There's no reason why boys and girls should have different uniforms.

[EDDIE51]

Then you have to ban trousers as well !

[sherrardk]

It's not addressing the issue - don't transgender boys want to wear skirts? It's just a cowardly way of pretending to address the issue without having to actually come to terms with it. If they recognize that they have transgender children in their school then they should let boys wear skirts and girls wear trousers. Once again, the majority get penalized to appease the minority.

[Mamyalynne]

A different link on the same story, maybe with more detail not sure.

I still think the actual banning of a skirt is not a good move and the reasons behind it are more to do with previous bother over the lengths they were worn at by some.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/09/06/school-bans-skirts-to-go-gender-neutral/

[ludwig]

I don't see the problem. At the moment girls have got the choice whether they want to wear skirts or trousers. The school's just taking away that choice. Well boo hoo. I'm sure they'll get over it.

They probably don't have a choice as to what jacket or colour shoes they wear either.

[albaqwerty]

conversely, if we have another heatwave, will the pupils demand to be allowed to wear shorts?

I remember a thread on here (June, I think) where the 'boys' weren't allowed to wear shorts so they turned up wearing skirts instead.

[Patsy33]

Would make life easier I suppose. Especially as in news today girls at a school were in trouble for wearing their skirts too short.

[EDDIE51]

Skirts used to be called 'Fanny Pelmets' even when I was at school back in the 1960s. The girls competed to see who could get away with the shortest skirt.

[Mamyalynne]

Shorts/Skorts are mentioned in my link above - good move.

[ludwig]

// the 'boys' weren't allowed to wear shorts so they turned up wearing skirts instead.//

Yes, and well done those boys for highlighting the unfairness of :
a) forcing boys to wear long trousers when it's exceedingly hot.
b) Having different uniform rules for boys and girls.

They got the rules changed accordingly.

[anotheoldgit]

EDDIE51

/// Skirts used to be called 'Fanny Pelmets' even when I was at school back in the 1960s. ///

I think that description is a very inappropriate, since we are talking about female children here not adults.

[EcclesCake]

Oh you delicate flower AOG.

Pussy pelmet was a common term amongst my all girls grammar school pals.

[douglas9401]

Surely once this is implemented the next hoohah will be about VPL and how it drives the boys doolally with lust and desire, especially in areas with high numbers of newly arrived immigrants, what with them apparently being prone to sexual emergencies and other cultural foibles.

Simply have a requirement that pupils don't dress like streetwalkers when in school and enforce it.

[sunny-dave]

These silly season stories pop-up every September.

I suggest an AB 'outrage moratorium' on all school related stories until about October - then we can start with the "renaming Christmas as Holidaymas" farrago that we all love so much.

[Old_Geezer]

Why not just let folk wear whatever they want subject to rules on smartness and avoidance of deliberate attention seeking. One only ever hears inadequate excuses for having a uniform at all. The girls can wear trousers, the boys skirts, and those confused with what gender they are can wear a sheet or something. Pah !

[youngmafbog]

I'm pretty sure there will be plenty of girls who wont be too happy that they can't parade their legs. For me I think it is a good idea, one of our daughters took the short skirt thing to an extreme by rolling up. Had numerous complaints from the school but she left with it a reasonable length so not sure what we were supposed to do whilst she was in their charge. (They never had an answer for that). Trousers did come along but then at 15/16 she managed to smuggle in skin tight ones and 15 years ago low waistband trousers were 'in' This just resulted in complaints of her distracting the boys in the class by displaying the rear of her G-string.

TBH with a teenager you just cant win. Schools should have a uniform and then ensure the children stick to it, punishing accordingly for infringements.

[youngmafbog]

//Why not just let folk wear whatever they want subject to rules on smartness and avoidance of deliberate attention seeking.//

A uniform is there to be a leveller. If you have a free for all then the rich kids with stupid parents will pitch up in designer this and named that. This in itself is deliberate attention seeking and so destroys the argument you make.

[Mamyalynne]

All good points well made Youngmafbog.


I did the skirt rolling over the waistband as soon as I'd turned the corner from home.

[hereIam]

When I was at school in the 60's I would have hated to wear trousers, I much preferred skirts. It seemed so simple back then ...

[HansUrbancka]

This Neutral Gender thing is going too far. Even John Lewis has entered into the stupidity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4845676/John-Lewis-ditches-boys-girls-labels-clothes.html

However, they are leaving School Uniforms alone for the moment. Perhaps because Prince George who is starting school this week has to have his uniform bought from John Lewis.

Hans