When Are These Idiotic Anti-Democratic Remoaners Going To Give Up?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4868010/Remoaners-parade-March-Westminster.html

[Old_Geezer]

One can voice what you like. But using your democratic right to try to overturn a democratically arrived at decision is hardly proper behaviour.

If a few folk get cold feet at having found the courage to have done the right thing, and wish to prove that they flip flop, it still doesn't stop it being the right decision initially. Thank goodness we don't act like the EU and take votes again and again until the elite get the answer they prefer. Just saying.

[Zacs-Master]

'unreasonable to demand that the referendum result be ignored' my thoughts too. The truth is tho that this pro EU Govt will engineer a Brexit which is nothing like many Leave voters had in mind. Now a March pointing this out would be well worthwhile.

[jim360]

It's not anti-democratic to protest, or to march, or to complain about a decision you think is wrong. Nor is there much point in asking the question about what would happen if the positions were reversed. I'll tell you what would happen: the narrowly defeated Brexit supporters would certainly not think "Oh, I guess staying in the EU was the right thing to do after all, mine eyes have been opened and I see the light now that the EU is the beacon of freedom and prosperity rather than, as I argued passionately yesterday, the shackle on our access to the world and the noose around our necks."

And why not? Brexit supporters voted for a cause they believed in, and in the event of a narrow victory in Remain's favour would it not provide encouragement that the argument could be won in the near future, or under slightly different circumstances? And here's the thing, too, why shouldn't you keep pushing for what you believe in? You might accept the legitimacy of the result, but you would certainly not accept the correctness of it.

The same is true for Remainers. I can't speak for all who voted to leave the EU but I certainly still believe I made the right decision, even if the country as a whole disagreed with me.

None of this should change the general direction the country is set in now, which is Brexit, but I'm getting tired of seeing Brexit supporters conflating protest at the correctness of a decision with protest at the legitimacy of it.

[ToraToraTora]

fair enough jim but you do see that the protesters in the link are in fact demanding that the result be ignored, ie they are quite happy to ignore the result simply because it's not what they voted for. I have been impressed by many remainers, some on here, accepting the result and saying it should be implemented even though they did not vote that way but these protesters seem to want to cynically ignore the result.

[Zacs-Master]

Yes, but that's democracy and you, also, have to accept that too.

[mikey4444]

Its their right to march and protest.

If the Ref. had gone the other way, and there had been a small majority to stay, don't you think that there would be similar marches and protests, but in the opposite direction ?

[ToraToraTora]

ignoring democracy is not democracy. Their right to not agree with it is one thing but actively ignoring it is the opposite of democracy.

[Zacs-Master]

I'm afraid it is Tora.

[ToraToraTora]

so it's democratic to want to ignore democracy? right oh!

[mikey4444]

No TTT...But its democratic to protest, as these people are doing.

[EDDIE51]

Zacs has it correct. It will be brexit in name only. Nothing will change except that we will no longer have any input to the rules we will still have to abide by. All in all we will be worse off but the government can say it has implemented the result of the referendum.

[ToraToraTora]

yes I agree, read what I wrote at 12:19

[Zacs-Master]

Wanting to do something isn't the same as achieving it but being alllowed to protest at something is democracy in action no matter how much that protest irks you.

[EDDIE51]

I always wonder how many of ABs Brexit brigade are actually old enough to have been of voting age and remember when we were still out of the EU back in 1972.

[anotheoldgit]

pastafreak

/// It doesn't matter if they are "right" or "wrong"...they still have the right to voice their opinions. I thought that was what democracy was about. ///

Wow hark at the Left stating that it is their democratic right to protest, pity they don't think that when they turn out in force to oppose and disrupt any Right-Wing protests.

Can't see any Brexit supporters turning out to oppose these Remoaners, perhaps it is because they are not so hypocritical and really believe that everyone holds the right to protest?

[EDDIE51]

Also how many of you voted in the 'Join the Common Market' referendum in 1975 and how did you vote?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum,_1975
It was 67% join, 33% stay out and I voted stay out !
Yes I have changed my mind. As I remember the main argument against joining was that it would mean a huge rise in prices, but we got that anyway.

[jim360]

"Wow hark at the Left stating that it is their democratic right to protest, pity they don't think that when they turn out in force to oppose and disrupt any Right-Wing protests."

Nah, the right to protest goes hand-in-hand with the right to tell other protesters that they're wrong, and to do so to their face if you like. There's no contradiction here.

[Zacs-Master]

Eddie, I suppose you were around when the Magna Cart was signed?

[THECORBYLOON]

EDDIE, the 1973 vote was to remain or leave, not whether to join or no.