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Something some of us without rose tinted specicles have said for a long time but were howled down as Rasicts and xenophobics.
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.I don't remember anyone being howled down as either a racist or a xenophobe when talking about this issue.
In fact, I don't remember the (non) integration of Muslim women being much discussed on AB.
It is certainly an issue that deserves proper discussion rather than the foaming rants that occur when attempts are made to discuss Muslim men.
In fact, I don't remember the (non) integration of Muslim women being much discussed on AB.
It is certainly an issue that deserves proper discussion rather than the foaming rants that occur when attempts are made to discuss Muslim men.
I'm unsure what AOG's position is on it, but two things. They don't know what they prefer until they've experienced options, and they can't whilst "kept in the dark", and there is a moral duty to integrate reasonably with the nation one chooses to live in. It's only polite to be part of the community not remain isolated and ignoring it.
Lots of first and second generation immigrants of all nationalities have kept to themselves historically both here and in the US, it's not unusual. I think there is a case for requiring anyone who lives here to learn English but that's about it tbh, you can't force instant change on a culture, it just doesn't work, it has to be a gradual and growing process. As long as settling families adhere to all the laws here I can't see what it is anyone is proposing or why they wish to propose it.
You may be sure that the benefits they are 'entitled' to will not go unclaimed. These are some of the people with access to postal voting so the men in their families get two ticks. This certainly isn't new, it was widespread in the 60s and 70s when I worked in Bradford, there are now second or third generations of women who do not integrate because they're not allowed to.
Not much different from the many British ex-pat communities around the world, that only socialise with other Brits, only eat and drink in British cafes and bars, employ Brits to do their building work, car servicing, taxi-ing and only speak English. I know many people who live abroad that are exactly like that.
They should try not to be. That stated I'd suspect that the countries where you find our ex-pats tend not to have too diverse a culture to our own. They'd probably already be within a reasonable definition of the local norms. So it's they themselves that lose out by not getting even more involved. One can't expect temporary tourist visitors to integrate too much, but longer term residents should.
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