"dementia Tax"

[Khandro]

As much as I abhor the thought it, ethically it has to be right doesn't it?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/11/pensioners-told-homes-not-assets-pass-offspring-minister-revives/

[Peter Pedant]

// We pay tax and NI all our working lives,//NoM

NoM - you work (NHS) in a sector which has always been current year financed - so the argument is irrelevant
and yes I am aware I will consume more in health costs than I contribute ( have contributed) and I am not sure where the magic is in that ( like the calculation is false)

and you get what you pay for
this thread is set on the lines - rail travel ticket is a tax on travel
well - no it is what you pay if you wanna go somewhere

(I agree with my diagnosis I am extremely unlikely to dement ever - OR if I am gonna dement then I had better get on with it!)

[douglas9401]

Practice makes perfect though Peter, keep up the good work. :-)

[Khandro]

PP, Some of us have been wondering for quite a while :0)

[ToraToraTora]

nomercy "We pay tax and NI all our working lives, why should we be stripped of our hard-earned assets to pay for our healthcare in our twilight years.

However, those who never work and pay tax will have free healthcare from the womb to the tomb.

Where's the justice in that? " - bang on, BA material.

[cassa333]

Isn't socialism give to those that need it and take from those who can afford it? Money in the bank, assets squirrelled away in shares and such like, property. Sounds like a socialist purse raid.

In any case I firmly believe we expect too much. We want our cake and to eat our neighbours sandwiches as well.

Most of us pay taxes. A lot of people even work but pay no tax or get tax back in the form of tax credits. There is no bottomless money pit or money tree. We as a nation can't live on the never never for ever and have to take responsibility. To fund everything that everyone wants would mean you, me and the gate post would pay more in tax than we take home. And we don't so we don't pay enough into the pot. We pay a bit and hope someone else's further down the road tops it up.

Life, and death, can be a shirt hook sometimes but we can't cushion everyone from everything.

We owe our most vulnerable (and not everyone with their hand out) people support. But socialism surely dictates that you pay for it yourself if you have the means to do so?

[ToraToraTora]

"But socialism surely dictates that you pay for it yourself if you have the means to do so? " - err no socialism means you spend other peoples money.

[cassa333]

So TTT, who are these other people you get the money from?

Rich or poor you are entitled to 'free' care etc. So who pays for it? If everyone s entitled regardless of means.
It is either the rich or all tax paying Joe public, rich or poor.

[Old_Geezer]

Neither. Socialism says that for agree needs that are best provided by the community rather than left to the individual to try to provide, public funds are collected, which owned by all in the community jointly, used for the purpose of providing those basic needs.

Health care should be one of the priority basic services; and it should cover those who can no longer cope by themselves.

[Old_Geezer]

AGREED

[cassa333]

But there are not enough tax payers paying enough tax to pay for everything.

You either increase tax until you pay more in tax than you have to live on or you cut back on services. Then return the tWelfare state back to a safety net and not everything for everyone all the time.

Alternatively you could have free Point of service (GP services), emergency care and specific ailments covered by NHS (don't know what but perhaps cancers, child birth or whatever) and the rest we have to get insurance for.

[woofgang]

I know its all public money but can we please back this discussion off the NHS? The care that is being discussed here is not nursing or medical care but what I used to know as "social care" meal provision, provision and maintenance of a suitable place to live, with suitable assistance to live there, assistance with washing, dressing moving around and so on. MEDICAL AND NURSING CARE REMAIN FREE AT THE POINT OF ACCESS.

[pixie374]

Why is it about dementia anyway? And since when has paying directly for yourself been called "tax"?

[tamborine]

As 3T "free healthcare from womb to tomb" for SSecurity sector but they also get to pass on their council property onto their NIK!

[kvalidir]

A society is judged by how it treats it's old and what it teaches it's young. What does this say? I would be perfectly happy to pay more tax so this doesn't happen, as this is not just about money it's about our social structure and expectations, and the more disassociated we get from our old, their needs and our communities generally by only seeing a house as bricks and mortar with a financial value the more we undermine ourselves, so no not ethically right at all.

[ToraToraTora]

cassa: "But there are not enough tax payers paying enough tax to pay for everything. " - Don't tell Jezza! We know that but socialism ignores that fact.

[NoMercy]

Islay, I shall take measures to ensure that none of my assets are liquidated to pay for my care, just as my parents are doing.

If ever my parents need round the clock care, they'll get it from me.

[ladybirder]

Who will pay for your care NoM?

[woofgang]

NoM have you ever given anyone round the clock care for any length of time?

[ummmm]

It's easy to say you'd take care of a loved one but reality can be so different.

[woofgang]

yes indeed ummmm