The Truth About Hate Crime And Brexit

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazine-41584532/the-truth-about-hate-crime-and-brexit

The racists start spouting off at about 01:58.

" I am not racist" one moment and the "I am a racist" the next. I hope that these uneducated twits may not be typical, but something tells me that there are more them than you would think.

Deeply depressing IMHO.

[Peter Pedant]

brexit and hate crime

o they havent been going around shooting brexiters ( po liddle thangs) have they - LA style ?

and what is the defence - euthanasia - or mercy killing ?

oops too flippant - sozza must try to take threads like this seriously

[ludwig]

// As it happens there isn't any Sandeep's, Vijay's or Chan's that go in my local boozer //

Who can blame them if people keep telling them to go screw themselves.

[anotheoldgit]

I wager there is more hatred shown towards the Brexits by the Remainiacs.

[cassa333]

There is a lot of hate in the country. There always has been. Especially if you look for it. And of course the media love it at the moment.

My neighbour recalls vividly the no pakis, no tinkers and no Irish signs and being spat at when she first came to the UK. The difference now I think is that society has become more violent for some reason.

Brexit is an excuse rather than a reason.

[THECORBYLOON]

If a Brexiteer is walking down the street just minding their own business, how would a remainiac know to hurl abuse at them or threaten them with violence?

[Mamyalynne]

Agree with most responders - those who live to hate saw Brexit as 'Told you, lots agree with us, let's go and beat up some more'.

Solid from the neck up and dangerous with it.

[anotheoldgit]

If a black person or a very vocal Polish person was walking down the street and someone attacked them, why would it be on behalf of Brexit?

[THECORBYLOON]

You're the one who said Brexiteers were getting more hatred from remainiacs, I'm asking how they would be identifiable if just walking down the street. Racial abuse is on the increase and victims are being singled out in the street because they look or sound different. How are the Brexiteers identified in order to receive an even greater level of abuse (in your opinion)?

[lindapalmara]

Happens in other countries

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20171011/282359744929616

[vetuste_ennemi]

Yes, I watched this propaganda piece with its credulous Beeb reporter, its dodgy statistics and its phoney experts.

I particularly liked its nasty and unjustified conclusion: believing in Brexit promotes hate.

A "conclusion" which clearly is shared by AB's army of bigots.

[THECORBYLOON]

VE, can you give us the true stats and explain why the the experts are phoney?

[Spicerack]

Couldn't she find any Black Country actors?

[Mamyalynne]

Check this link next week when the latest stats are released - the reasons of course are manifold, and each crime will have its own convoluted reason behind it.

Far easier to call responders bigots than discuss sensibly. Why use a site you hold in such low regard?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/announcements/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2016-to-2017

[vetuste_ennemi]

There are no such things as "true" stats, you see.

I've seen this trick pulled a dozen times.

If someone produces stats "proving" that rape is on the increase and it is in your interest (or even that of the truth) to argue the opposite, then you do a number of things. You could point out, for example, that the rise is due not necessarily to more incidents of rape but a greater willingness to report rape (the professor seemed to recognise this distinction, but made no effort account for the influence of the former). And you can go on indefinitely finding plausible reasons to question the validity of the numbers, or, rather, their value in leading to a given conclusion.

Obviously if you have a motive for believing the numbers then you will be inclined to accept the stats at face value.

[vetuste_ennemi]

And as usual you pick the nutters as representatives of a whole. A particularly nasty trick which you are the first to call others out on in a different context.

[vetuste_ennemi]

And as for the "spurious" bit, didn't we get the 20 billion added to the economy by, the pay more in tax and claim less in benefits than... piece of casuistry.

Surely anybody can see through this deception?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Ah, the link:

"Statistics on hate crimes and racist incidents recorded by the police."

[jim360]

I don't see how anyone can dispute the general point that a referendum motivated, in part, by a rejection of high immigration levels will have given people who were already racist the apparent licence to express that more often. Even if it were just a very temporary spike, the number of people who felt that they could now say something along the lines of "great, now you can eff off back to your own country" will certainly have been higher in the days following the referendum. Anecdotally this is true, from both sides, and the statistics appear to bear that out, but I don't think that the number of racists will suddenly have increased.

What I absolutely don't want to say is that Brexit is about racism, or that it came from racism, or that people who voted for Brexit are necessarily racists. It's hurtful, wrong, divisive, stupid and offensive, among a host of other adjectives.

Brexit probably empowered racists, but doesn't condone them for a second.

[Togo]

//This is being held up as evidence that prejudices and madness were unleashed by Brexit. In truth, the hate-crime spike looks more like a classic crime panic, a constructed ‘crisis’. The rise in reported hate crimes is likely down to the fact that various officials actively trawled for evidence of hate post-Brexit, imploring people to phone police hotlines, and to the fact that almost anything can be recorded as a hate crime these days, even if there’s no evidence for it. We’re witnessing the invention of a crime epidemic to the cynical, political end of defaming Brexit as hateful and dangerous.//
//The number of hate crimes recorded by the cops has grown year by year. Six years ago, there were 42,255; in 2014-15, there were 52,528.
But these figures need to be taken with a fistful of salt. There is something wrong with the way we report and measure hate crimes in this country. The numbers do not necessarily speak to any objective spread of hate in modern Britain. On the contrary, what the BBC calls an ‘epidemic’ is a product of the authorities redefining racism and prejudice to such an extent that almost any unpleasant encounter between people of different backgrounds can now be recorded as ‘hatred’.

Consider the Brexit aftermath. The police say that 14,000 hate crimes were recorded between July and September. But can we engage in some scepticism here? Many of these incidents are likely to have been reported through True Vision, a police-funded website that allows anyone anywhere to report something they either experienced or witnessed, anonymously if they like. No evidence is needed. Everything is instantly logged as a hate incident. This inevitably presents a warped view of reality.//

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/truth-behind-brexit-hate-crime-spike/

[vetuste_ennemi]

//I don't see how anyone can dispute the general point that a referendum motivated, in part, by a rejection of high immigration levels will have given people who were already racist the apparent licence to express that more often//

I don't dispute the "general point", I dispute the conclusion of the program that Brexit per se implies or encourages xenophobia and , particularly, resent being classed among those "who were already racist" by the anointed who have been taught to believe that people who don't share their enlightened vision of the world are morally inferior.