So This Idiot Believes That Our Police Would Kill More Black People If They Routinely Carry Guns?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/865824/Donald-Trump-NFL-National-Anthem-Birmingham-Kehinde-Andrews-Union-Jack-UK

/// The police may not kill as many black people, but is that only because they do not routinely carry guns?” ///

[ToraToraTora]

With that level of anti Britishness he should be in the Labour party, mikey, sign him up pronto!

[Peter Pedant]

I am funny like that too
I believe that if virtually no one carries guns the chance of getting shot goes really right down

and if guns are available then the chance goes up
sudduv like LA
( sound effect blammer blammer blammer blammer ! voice over: in southern drawl: is that the sound of gun fire I hear in them thar ghettoes?))

yeah I know that all the swiss are armed to the teeth
and there arent even injuries from swiss army knives

I dont think you know how few people die violently in the UK AOG (600 /y) and how many in the land of the free ( 22000 )
( population of one is four times the other)

[jno]

of course. More white people too. That's what guns do.

[pixie374]

^^ what jno says.

[THECORBYLOON]

As you get very upet when folk misquote you, surely you knew he did not say "Our Police Would Kill More Black People If They Routinely Carry Guns"?

He asked a question, he did not make a statement.

[Old_Geezer]

He asked a question rather than made a statement.

That one can conclude he seems an idiot is due more to his other statements about the flag, oppression, national DNA etc..

It is interesting though, how the brain can compartmentalise such that one can speak nonsense on one subject yet apparently find an academic subject to shine in at the same time.

[jim360]

I think you yourself, AOG, have made the point that Black people in the UK have been disproportionately the subject of "Stop and Search" measures. It's a long way from stopping black people more often to gunning them down with impunity -- and anyway there are clear differences in police practice between the US and UK beyond habitual gun use -- but in that context it's not necessarily unreasonable. If police had an extra measure, killing suspects in certain situations, then (a) more people would be shot dead anyway, and (b) it's plausible to suggest that black people would be disproportionately the victims in such cases.

As it happens I don't think that this will be nearly so bad a problem in the UK, as compared with the US. Aside from the relatively non-existent culture surrounding gun ownership here, so that the police would have less reason to suspect that such-and-such a person is carrying a gun and therefore an imminent threat, we also have much more robust and independent investigative measures against police who may have overstepped the line. The IPCC is called in automatically whenever a person dies in an incident related to police action; in the USA an such investigations are often internal, so that it's the friends and colleagues doing the investigating (conflict of interest right there), while any indictments that could be prosecuted end up before a Grand Jury (citizens, who tend to want to trust the Police), as opposed to the CPS (independent body).

Or, in short, we have much better safety nets to monitor the Police than the USA do.

[vetuste_ennemi]

As he is not around to answer himself perhaps one of his surrogates would answer this question for him:

"Nominate a country - any country - which does not promote division and hate and which you would prefer to live in."

[ummmm]

TTT - all this anti Britishness is all in your head!

[vetuste_ennemi]

Over to you, Kim, Loon, Pedant.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Kim, Loon, Pedant. Sounds like a North Korean fat controller.

I meant Jim.

[jim360]

"Nominate a country - any country - which does not promote division and hate and which you would prefer to live in."

I am not sure what the point of asking this question is. I am quite happy living in the UK, thank you very much.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Then you can't possibly believe the travesty of modern Britain painted by our professor, can you? Oppressive, divisive, racist?

[jno]

jim, the point is deflection. Criticise anything about Britain and someone will say "Go and live in North Korea".

True Britons always used to seek reform and improvement in their own country, hence all sorts of things from Magna Carta to old age pensions. The traitors who live here today don't even want to think about it...

[youngmafbog]

It's one of those rare occasions I am with jno.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Mind you there are some very smart people on AB. Three shredded wheat types who can believe ten impossible things before breakfast. If not morre 9of both).

[jim360]

I think he was exaggerating his case. I do wonder if there are a few too many people who look back on Imperial days with rose-tinted specs, but that's not quite the same thing.

[ToraToraTora]

are you saying the guy in the link is not anti British ummmm?

[youngmafbog]

TTT, looks to me like he has a mighty chip on his shoulder.

What people like this man dont seem to understand is that by spouting a lot of this rubbish they actually create division.

Without doubt we are a moving forward. As a boy staing with grandparents in Brum I still remember the signs 'No dogs No Irish, No blacks' I thin I remember it because it was so alien to me. That no longer happens and the majority of white folk and black folk get along just fine and really dont bother about skin colour. Racking up the Empire every 5 minutes can only serve to create a division, it's almost like some of these people dont want unity. In a way they are as bad as the far right racist groups who seem to want the same.

[vetuste_ennemi]

// I do wonder if there are a few too many people who look back on Imperial days with rose-tinted specs//

A typical slur. Wonder away. When you find any introduce them to me.