Should British Jihadis Be Allowed To Come Home And Be ‘Reintegrated’ Into Society?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5010729/A-politician-says-think-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.html

[anotheoldgit]

Shouldn't be allowed to return, full stop.

[Hopkirk]

Agreed AOG.

Once back, Cherie Blair and her mates will start with their human rights claptrap.

[NoMercy]

Absolutely not - they should be exterminated like vermin.

[albaqwerty]

if we can't send them to clear land-mines without protective gear, could we at least have some strong characters to protect the human rights of the citizens of this country who never became jihadis?

[Kromovaracun]

I had assumed that the plan for a while had been to quietly funnel these people into Syria/IS territory and allow them to kill/die in an active warzone rather than in the UK.

Amoral, sure, but pragmatic.

In that context it's hard to say what should be done with those who return, because there's too much we don't currently know about how the security services interact with them. If they've struck some kind of "deal" in exchange for information, or in exchange for discreet passage back to the middle east in the near future, it's hard to know whether it's worth the risk to allow them back or not.

[-Talbot-]

it's hard to know whether it's worth the risk to allow them back or not.


Are you serious?
Why risk the lives of UK civilians?

[naomi24]

If they're a potential risk why even consider letting them come back? That's madness!

[Jackdaw33]

Yes, they should be allowed to come home. However, since they have taken up arms against Her Majesty's subjects they fall within the remit of the Treason Act. They should therefore be arrested immediately on landing, tried and imprisoned for life.

[Kromovaracun]

For the reasons I outlined.

Whether anything like that actually happens, of course, is unverified - but highly highly likely, so it's a speculative factor that I wouldn't ignore.

[albaqwerty]

isn't treason still a hanging offence or did the UK go soft on that too?

just nosy.

[jim360]

There hasn't been a capital offence in the UK since 1998.

[youngmafbog]

1998. Death penalty abolished for crimes committed under military jurisdiction.
1998. On a free vote during a debate on the Human Rights Bill on the 20th of May, M P’s decided by 294 to 136, a 158 majority, to adopt provisions of the European Convention on Human Rights outlawing capital punishment for murder except "in times of war or imminent threat of war." The Bill incorporates the European Convention on Human Rights into British law.
1998. The Criminal Justice Bill of July 31st, removed High Treason and piracy with violence as capital crimes, thus effectively ending capital punishment.
1999. On the 27th of January the Home Secretary (Jack Straw) formally signed the 6th protocol of the European Convention of Human Rights in Strasbourg, on behalf of the British government formally abolishing the death penalty in the UK. It had been still theoretically available for treason and piracy up to 1998 but it was extremely unlikely that even if anyone had been convicted of these crimes over the preceding 30 years, that they would have actually been executed. Successive Home Secretaries had always reprieved persons sentenced to death in the Channel Islands and Isle of Man where the death sentence for murder could still be passed but the Royal Prerogative was observed

[youngmafbog]

Abolished by Blair.

[Ken4155]

NO

[albaqwerty]

thank you very much for the information, very kind of you.

[trt]

A very silly question IMO!!!!!

[Khandro]

I liked the story yesterday of the Manchester soldier who played an Ariana Grande song in the centre of Raqqa as a tribute to those casualties of the Manchester Arena bombing, he was standing in front of the area where many beheadings had taken place.
Good old Manchester, thought I.

[Hopkirk]

It's OK to kill the enemy during times of war. They have declared war on us.

[sapelesam]

I read somewhere that over 200 Jihadis have returned to the UK and probably just walked through the UK citizens channel without a care in the world. Just try sneaking in with some shopping from New York and see how hard customs come down on you.

[Khandro]

It seems Max Hill QC is as big a threat to the UK as any terrorist;

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/better-a-dead-fanatic-in-syria-than-a-live-one-in-britain/?utm_source=Adestra&;utm_medium=email&;utm_campaign=Lunchtime_Espresso_24102017