And The Christian Church Wonders Why Numbers Are Declining

[youngmafbog]

Another PC idiot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5023147/Vicar-bans-hymn-Remembrance-Sunday-service.html

[dannyk13]

Mikey, Cof E priests do not 'become' vicars.Vicar is another term for a Parish Priest.

[TheChair]

I bet you'd be whining if you heard about a mosque where they were singing "Onward Muslim Soldiers".

[cassa333]

To dismiss this story as non news/non story or that it doesn't matter that tradition is being eroded because of perceived insult is one of the reasons for what is wrong in this country at the moment.

It is a decline that is sad to see.

[Islay]

AOG vicars are priests
I wasn't talking about the men in the newspapers getting there knickers in a twist.
As for my history - my father would say exactly the same thing as i did - and he served a hell of a lot longer than you did!

[mikey4444]

Danny...sorry to be pedantic but when a person is ordained within the Anglican community, that are referred to as being "Priested"

Most of those go on to become Vicars, but not all.

Many take jobs within the Diocese that do not involve being a Vicar of any particular parish, although this is rare, as the majority would spend some time in a parish first. For instance, some newly ordained priests become Curates in a Parish, under the general tutelage of the Vicar.
It is normal for those Curates to then go on to have a Parish of their own, when they then take the title of Vicar, or Rector.

My closest friend is still a Priest, but she stopped being a Vicar when she retired from her CinW Parish.

In the case of this Church in Leicestershire, the Reverend Steve Bailey is a Team Vicar, and is also the Team Rector Designate for the Parish.

[jno]

it wasn't a Christian war (unlike the Crusades), so why sing hymns as if it was?

400,000 Muslims fought for Britain in WW1. How about singing something that includes them?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/forgotten-army-400000-muslim-soldiers-10325190

[andres]

Why do threads on this site frequently get de-railed by abers trying to score points off one another. Personally I can't see any reason for this hymn to be banned. It seems an appropriate one for a service in which we are remembering soldiers.

[mikey4444]

jno....they did indeed, and also many Hindus fought and died during WW2. I have seen their graves at Monte Casino, 100's of them.

But this is a service within a Christian church. I can see a reason not to sing this hymn at a Remembrance Service, out of a church, although it would be a very thin reason to exclude it.

I am sure that there will be an opportunity for other religions to commemorate the event in their own way.

And I speak as a confirmed atheist !

[ludwig]

The hymn is nothing to do with actual war or actual soldiers. It's an allegory about fighting the good fight against the forces of evil.

There is no valid reason to either exclude or include it in any particular service.

[anotheoldgit]

Islay

I have no idea of how long your father served, no more than you know how long I served.

[Islay]

AOG give it up, you make yourself look a fool trying to out do my family and their service history.

[youngmafbog]

Err, Isleay, AOG has not tried to outdo your family. It is in your head.

TheChair, if Muslims want to sing Onward Muslim Soldiers in a Mosque I have no objection whatoever. Why should I?

[anotheoldgit]

Islay
/// AOG give it up, you make yourself look a fool trying to out do my family and their service
history. ///

And where have I done that?

You must really try and dump that enormous chip that you constantly carry around on your shoulders.

[Islay]

I try AOG but you will insist on sitting on it like a ruddy great parrot!

[albaqwerty]

I gave up going to my 'new' local church years ago.
Sat in a pew, the entire pew was empty along the row, some twonk said, 'you're sitting in my seat'

Well, with that warm welcome I got up to leave but some lovely ladies invited me to sit beside them.
Thanked them and after the service, I left, never to return.

[Voltage]

love you islay xx i do

[Mamyalynne]

Total lack of joined up thinking on this one, a long held tradition by the local RBL that has never caused a problem.

Article says discussion were had but obviously not at local branch level.

[anotheoldgit]

Islay

So you admit to having one then, as regards me sitting on that enormous chip that you carry on our shoulder.
I really would not wish to be so close my dear.

[Mamyalynne]

Is this going to be another thread where the topic gets cast aside?

[chelle7272]

Sadly mamya it happens too often these days, no wonder the site is waning.