Just Because We Can...

[mushroom25]

.....does that mean we should? womb transplants for transgender people are imminent...
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/men-pregnant-womb-transplant-dr-richard-paulson-transgender-a8037201.html

an extreme example perhaps, but science can now definitely buck nature. is it time for ethics to stand aside and allow people to become anything that science can make them?

[jim360]

I don't see this as really being feasible for long enough to worry about it now. Also, the most immediate beneficiaries of womb transplants would be those who had a womb already, but for whatever reason it wasn't working.

I don't have a problem with the idea that womb transplants for transgender patients shouldn't be on the NHS.

[ToraToraTora]

so the NHS is under pressure from all sides just tying to do standard needed medical work and you want them to pay for putting wombs in geezers! right oh jim!

[pixie374]

He didn't say that...

[Mamyalynne]

Read his reply again.

[dannyk13]

Why bother with transplanting wombs, just grow a human being in a Petri dish.

[jim360]

I literally said the exact opposite. :/

[Mamyalynne]

Danny, I personally haven't spoken to anyone who would wish to do this but it runs deeper than just a lab procedure - it's about the growth and progress of the child within.

Something that in truth it takes more than a womb to experience but then maybe hormones would help with that side.

[Islay]

Tora stop being a geezer and have a day off!
My response was to mushrooms about having to monitor the pregnancy - I was pointing out that this already happens.
But I stand by what I said I don't have an issue with this going ahead.
As for the NHS nowhere does it mention in the article that this would be available on the NHS - so this is just a lot of foaming of the mouth going on!

[ToraToraTora]

what this bit? "I don't have a problem with the idea that womb transplants for transgender patients shouldn't be on the NHS. " - transgender is I believe changing sex right? so if you are putting womb in where there is not one already that is either putting one in a geezer or putting another one in a woman. No need for either. There is no shortage of people. or perhaps you meant "also, the most immediate beneficiaries of womb transplants would be those who had a womb already, but for whatever reason it wasn't working. " - I refer you to the answer I gave a few moments ago. There is no shortage of people. just to be clear on that basis I do not believe that the NHS should fund any kind of activity that is intended to produce offspring where the natural process does not function. Capiesch? THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE, geddit?

[ToraToraTora]

apologies jim just read your double negative!

[Mamyalynne]

Jim like most of us have no problem with the NHS NOT funding such operations.

[dannyk13]

Lynne, I just think that science does things for the sake of doing them.

[Cloverjo]

It's not just the womb you'd need. It's all the required plumbing. The birth would have to be by Caesarean.

Wasn't this talked about 30 years ago or so? Although not in a womb, inside a man's body cavity somewhere in the abdomen. I can't remember if it was actually tried. We did a play on that subject at school.

[Mamyalynne]

C Sections have been mentioned a few times in the thread - I think that goes without saying.

Science may operate that way Danny but for those wanting a child it is more than science.

As I said I doubt the queue for this will be long, given the pain,discomfort and cost.

[jim360]

I know, danny, It's almost as if scientists enjoy exploring the limits of human knowledge and experience.

TTT: fun getting angry over things that aren't there, innit?

[ToraToraTora]

yes apologies once more I missed your "n't"

[jim360]

To be fair, I suppose I have a reputation for being one of AB's more outspoken advocates of transgender rights. But I think I'd have a hard time defending any "rights" here. Once medical science advances far enough then, sure, transwomen could choose to undergo this operation, but good luck persuading me, let alone anyone else, that it's something that they'd "need".

Anyhow, apology accepted of course.

[Sqad]

A transgender will certainly be on steroids and anti rejection drugs for some time.....maybe even for the rest of his/her life.
How is this person going to become pregnant under this pharmacological regime and how will it effect the foetus if pregnancy does ensue?
This needs further thoughts on a much wider basis.
No..this should not be done under the auspices of a cash strapped NHS.

[hereIam]

And I wonder how many poor, defenceless animals will be tested on and tortured so that mankind (kind huh) can yet again alter nature ???