Britain First Deputy Leader Jayda Fransen Is Arrested For Making An Anti-Terrorism Speech.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5096451/Britain-deputy-leader-Jayda-Fransen-arrested.html

[ichkeria]

No one knows what she said so it is in a sense a bit pointless speculating. Knowing some of the things Fransen has said before and mindful of the fact that the PSNI presumably have enough on their plate as it is not to make trips from Vekfadt for no good reason then I might be inclined to find against her. But I guess they just makes me a naughty boy ;-)
I am prepared to stick my neck out and say that there is more to it than merely speaking out ‘against terrorism’.

[ichkeria]

trips from??? Belfast ...

[jno]

I believe the EU did have plans to change its name to Vekfadt, yes. Derry was to become Covfefe.

[vetuste_ennemi]

The gist of Ms Fransen's speech (in which race is never mentioned) is that Islam is an ideology which enjoins all of its followers to struggle (jihad) in order to establish its dominance over non-Muslims. Conclusion: more Muslims and more mosques is bad news for the rest of us. Nobody who's been to Specsavers - or doesn't need glasses - should find that contentious, should they?

I guess the bit which amounts to "hate crime" or whatever she's being charged with is when she spoils an otherwise good point by saying that there are no[i moderate Muslims and that they are [i]all] out to get us. (A pity - with a bit more subtlety she could have invoked Godwin's Law by pointing out that it was the 30% believers in a different struggle - Kampf - who were relevant in the 1930s, not the 70% "moderate" Germans.)

Of course, if it's demonisation and incitement to hatred you're looking for you could go into the majority of mosques in Britain, listen to the sermons, read the materials and see what the imams and the literature (both often Saudi or Qatari provided) are saying about us. Or the Home Office could look more closely at the dozens of radical preachers who are invited into this country every year to tour Britain's mosques and Islamic societies.

But, as Ms Fransen points out in her speech, this isn't going to happen any time soon. The appalling truth about Islam and a large number of its followers has already been exposed by the C4 Undercover Mosque documentaries about ten years ago, and by the BBC earlier than that I think. Result: Muslim groups scream and shout, everybody backs down, business as usual.

[-Talbot-]

I see you have continued with the 'abstract' nonsense, sp.


sp1814
-Talbot-

You said you dislike religion in general and Islam in particular.

My point is that religion is an abstract.

Jayda is a person, not an abstract.


I also mentioned Imams, Vicars & Rabbis who are actual human beings ... do you want me to put a name to the Imam?
Will that stop the 'abstract' nonsense?

[Togo]

V.E. the "authorities even admit it now. They just dare not say it because of the howling line dancers.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11371/germany-austria-imams-integration

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

//... do you want me to put a name to the Imam?//

At last!

Now you see what I mean.

But no - don't worry. I'm just glad you understand my point.

[sp1814]

v_e

Thank you for the summary.

Saying "there are no moderate Muslims and that they are all out to get us." is stupid and wrong.

She is labelling a whole group of people with one intent.

I've seen this before, with Jews, black people and then Pakistanis.

BF is basically NF with better trousers.

[EDDIE51]

Togo
http://www.kentlive.news/news/britain-first-leaders-jada-fransen-633137
^ This is the latest arrest,and is her 3rd for the same thing breaching bail conditions. My other links were to the two previous arrests for breaching bail.
At this rate I can see her being kept in custody until her trial. I don't think they will put up with a 4th breach of bail.

[-Talbot-]

Tell me you're not serious ...

[-Talbot-]

She is labelling a whole group of people with one intent.




Doesn't seem to bother you when Erdogan says it, sp.

[douglas9401]

Eddie me old scone, if she wasn't locked up for the first breach it's a fair bet that she'll not be locked up at all.

She may, somewhat ironically, be trying for martyrdom.

[Togo]

Takes you a long time to be wrong again Edd. Seeing as how the "offence" was committed before the two you highlighted........ how come they have a jolly over here and arrest her now? Why didn't N.I. scuffers feel her collar there and then? Or are you admitting that there is a bandwagon to goosestep behind as in days of yore?

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

//Doesn't seem to bother you when Erdogan says it, sp.//

What?

Seriously - what are you talking about?

I literally have no idea.

Please direct me to any thread where I have made a comment about Erdogan.

I will be honest with you - I had to look him up on Google. That's how I know he's never been on my mind.

Could you be mistaking me for someone else, because for the life of me I can't think of a single occasion where I've either supported or condemned anything he has said.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//She is labelling a whole group of people with one intent.//

My point was not to support that part of her speech, SP, but to defend her main contention: that Islam is supremacist and intolerant.

You seem reluctant to consider the possibility that this proposition is true, and that many Muslims are trained to be supremacist bigots.

Why? Maybe my and Ms Fransen's characterisation of Islamis wrong. Or maybe it's not. Wouldn't you like to be sure either way. Quite a lot is at stake for people who believe in things like gay rights and such.

[Togo]

The failings of the "ready to scweem racist" is that they cannot countenance the fact that, being racist does not automatically mean they are liars or that being 5th column luvvies make them truthful. Their shallow inhibited thought process does not allow for freedom of thought any more than it does freedom of speech.
I remember Ian Duncan Smith(racist Rhodesian leader) being asked after its reincarnation into Zimbabwe in 1979. " How will Mugabe do as leader"? "He will be there for at least 30 years, murder or imprison his opponents and bankrupt the Country" was Smith's reply. Racist liar. Not a bad call in retrospect. Now of course the luvs are doing a line dance celebrating his demise. :))

Careful what you wish for.

[-Talbot-]

Please direct me to any thread where I have made a comment about Erdogan.



That's my point ...

[douglas9401]

I think you're mixing up your Ian Smiths. :-)

[Togo]

Found a random Duncan there Douglas.... sure I didn't type it though.(sounding a bit like Edd) he says. :))

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

Weak.

Seriously weak.

I'll counter with this...

You believe that there are no such thing as giraffes - they're just cats sitting on each others' shoulders.

The fact that you haven't thus far disagreed with this comment or referred to it means that you believe it.

v_e

You wrote:

//My point was not to support that part of her speech, SP, but to defend her main contention: that Islam is supremacist and intolerant.//

That's not the point. The point is that she said (according to you) that there is "there are no moderate Muslims and that they are all out to get us."

If this is what she has said, then that contravenes provisions in the Race and Religious Hatred Act 2006 - "involving stirring up hatred against persons on racial or religious grounds".