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Brexit
Can someone explain to me how, without Customs Posts or Passport Controls, you can have a
"soft" border between Ireland(in the EU) and Northern Ireland(outside the EU)? Would this not require both parties to accept free movement of people and membership of the customs union?
Many politicians state a "soft border" as their objective but none explain how.
"soft" border between Ireland(in the EU) and Northern Ireland(outside the EU)? Would this not require both parties to accept free movement of people and membership of the customs union?
Many politicians state a "soft border" as their objective but none explain how.
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Both Northern and Southern Ireland totally refuse to have anything other than a fully soft ,open and unrestricted border. So yes, I can see no way that the rest of the UK can leave the customs union.
Scotland ,Wales and London have all said that if Northern Ireland is allowed any type of 'special relationship' with the EU , then that relationship MUST also apply to them as Northern Ireland is as much a part of the UK as they are.
The only way we can possibly leave the EU is to leave in name only , all else has to remain the same, including freedom of movement.
This is precisely what I said and predicted months ago.
We will be worse off as we still have to abide by EU decisions but will have zero input in making those decisions. Even worse we will have to pay £35 to £55 Billion for the privilege of gaining nothing but losing some of what we already have.
Scotland ,Wales and London have all said that if Northern Ireland is allowed any type of 'special relationship' with the EU , then that relationship MUST also apply to them as Northern Ireland is as much a part of the UK as they are.
The only way we can possibly leave the EU is to leave in name only , all else has to remain the same, including freedom of movement.
This is precisely what I said and predicted months ago.
We will be worse off as we still have to abide by EU decisions but will have zero input in making those decisions. Even worse we will have to pay £35 to £55 Billion for the privilege of gaining nothing but losing some of what we already have.
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TTT then please explain how it is possible to have a fully open and unrestricted border between the UK and the EU , which is all both Northern and Southern Ireland will accept,and yet not be in the customs union with free movement of people and goods?
You as AB's principle Brexit supporter must have the answer?
Remember the DUP who support the government at the moment , will immediately switch sides if any attempt is made to restrict the border between the Republic and Northern Ireland . They have the government over a barrel, but possibly you can see away out.
You as AB's principle Brexit supporter must have the answer?
Remember the DUP who support the government at the moment , will immediately switch sides if any attempt is made to restrict the border between the Republic and Northern Ireland . They have the government over a barrel, but possibly you can see away out.
"Eddie, Cobras, dream on. I can't be bothered to refute your BS for the 1000th time, perhaps the infinitely more patient judge will come along and demolish your rubbish again on behalf of us all"
TTT...you couldn't have been more insulting if you had tried....perhaps you need to make an appointment at Specsavers.
TTT...you couldn't have been more insulting if you had tried....perhaps you need to make an appointment at Specsavers.
Precisely Mamy....perhaps TTT can give an answer to Rich's question, as we are all in confusion over this business with the Eire/NI Border.
This time last week, the whole affair was in total confusion, as Mrs May had "forgotten" to ask the DUP for their OK in the deal that she was hashing with the EU
The DUP quite rightly objected, and then May pulled something out of the bag.
This time last week, the whole affair was in total confusion, as Mrs May had "forgotten" to ask the DUP for their OK in the deal that she was hashing with the EU
The DUP quite rightly objected, and then May pulled something out of the bag.
Switzerland is in both Schengen and the Single Market (to an extent), so I am not sure that it is a "solution" that would appeal to most die-hard Brexiters. Likewise Norway is part of the EEA, which is kind of a "single market lite", I think. In both cases the agreements mean that Switzerland and Norway are subject to (a proportion of) EU law without being able to influence it.
I'm not saying whether or not this is a good thing but it seems to me that looking to such countries for solutions is -- and always has been -- somewhat inconsistent with the objectives of Brexit. In turn, that makes the Irish border an issue that is hard to solve without making some seriously profound concessions.
I'm not saying whether or not this is a good thing but it seems to me that looking to such countries for solutions is -- and always has been -- somewhat inconsistent with the objectives of Brexit. In turn, that makes the Irish border an issue that is hard to solve without making some seriously profound concessions.
