Berlin To Provide 'safe Zone' For Women During New Year's Eve Celebrations

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/berlin-safe-zone-women-sexual-harassment-new-years-eve-celebrations-brandenburg-gate-party-a8133491.html

/// Women reported being attacked by men from migrant backgrounds. ///

Angela Merkel has a lot to answer for.

[-Talbot-]

Weren't both organised?

[Zacs-Master]

You seem to be finding similarities now, which....Erm....slightly contradict your post before last and affirm my citing of the Rotherham scandal.

[-Talbot-]

You're back peddling with nonsense and you know it.

[vetuste_ennemi]

See Wiki under "taharrush gamea". A North African Arab custom in which groups of men encircle a woman and grope her.

Here's a first hand example from the Arab Spring:

[Zacs-Master]

Talbot, I haven’t back pedalled in the slightest. I’ve pointed out that in one post you wrote ‘what happened in Rotherham (and other towns and cities) are different ... totally different’
And then in another one ‘Weren't both organised?’

[Togo]

//taharrush jamai//

"A rash hurt aim Ja?"

[Khandro]

Keep trying togo :0)
But Jack gave a bum steer, I think v_e's spelling is the correct one.

[-Talbot-]

Zacs, my wedding was organised and I believe they have organised a game of football at Anfield today ... both totally different.

But feel free to carry on grasping straws.

[Jackdaw33]

As I had never come across the phrase I merely copied and pasted from sp1814's post @ 14:21.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Transliterations from the Arabic do vary a lot, though, Khandro. (The only reason, I think, why the most popular male baby's name in the UK is not Mo). However, "gamea" is the only version I've seen.

Further to the Arab Spring and Egypt in particular here is an article from The Egyptian Center{sic} for Women's Rights about Morsi's proposed new constitution:

http://ecwronline.org/?p=818

[Khandro]

v_e; I think Togo's anagram was valiant effort, but unfortunately he'd been given the wrong spelling. Now without the 'j' it might be easier without having to switch to German.

[Togo]

Oh I don't know there Khandro....say it with a German accent, and consider we are talking Berlin. Haha.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I can get "rut", "her" and "shagagram" out of the phrase.

[Gromit]

// Morsi's proposed new constitution //

That link is 5 years old. Morsi is long gone.

[Khandro]

Hugh am a rat a-r-s-e ?

[vetuste_ennemi]

// Morsi's proposed new constitution // ... Morsi is long gone.

Morsi has gone, Gromit, but not the relevance of the article. Taharrush gamea (which is what the OP and safe-zoning is all about) is another "cultural" phenomenon based on the same degraded view of women that the Egyptian Center for Women's Rights was objecting to. That attitude did not appear for the first time with the arrival of Morsi; neither did it end with his departure.

Furthermore, given that Morsi was democratically elected, you might reasonably assume that half (and the pious Muslim Brotherhood half at that) of Egypt's men are misogynists.

The relevance is this: how common is this contempt for "immodest" women be among the North African and other migrants who have recently entered Europe? Will they abandon these attitudes (along, as some do, with their passports and birth certificates) before they put foot to European soil? Or will they hold on to them along with their smart phones and selfy sticks?

And why would Europe want to import such attitudes?

[sp1814]

v_e

Europe already has them.

It's called 'grabbing'.

CH4 taught is this about five years ago.

Like you - I'd never heard of it until then.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Do you have any details about the C4 program, SP?

[Deskdiary]

The obtuseness on this thread by some is staggering.

31st December 2016 - Cologne. It is no secret who the perpetrators were.

Why is that so difficult for some to accept?

[douglas9401]

Was 'grabbing' not associated with that other collection of free thinking modernists, travellers in their various incarnations?