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Leave Vote Likely To Be Overturned?
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According to Mr Farage, anyway. Do you think the penny has just dropped?
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“OG, we cant ‘just go’ under any circumstances. Parliament has to vote, as pointed out by that nice Miss Miller.”
“Zacs....yes, and her opinion was backed up in every Court of Law in the country !”
The planned Parliamentary vote on the manner of our future relationship with the EU has nothing to do with the delightful Ms Miller. Her court action was to force the government to put the matter of invoking Article 50 to a vote in Parliament. Prior to her action they had in mind to do so using executive powers. Ms Miller won her action and the Commons voted by five to one to trigger A50.
The matter of putting the deal to a “meaningful vote” was facilitated by Mrs May.
You both must try to keep up. I’m sure if I can (having been accused yesterday of “not having a clue” on certain aspects of this matter) then so can you.
“Zacs....yes, and her opinion was backed up in every Court of Law in the country !”
The planned Parliamentary vote on the manner of our future relationship with the EU has nothing to do with the delightful Ms Miller. Her court action was to force the government to put the matter of invoking Article 50 to a vote in Parliament. Prior to her action they had in mind to do so using executive powers. Ms Miller won her action and the Commons voted by five to one to trigger A50.
The matter of putting the deal to a “meaningful vote” was facilitated by Mrs May.
You both must try to keep up. I’m sure if I can (having been accused yesterday of “not having a clue” on certain aspects of this matter) then so can you.
The Irish border issue is one purely in the court of southern Ireland and their EU masters. The UK is prepared to retain the existing open border after leaving, it's the EU that's apparently refusing to allow an exception in the cause of peace. It's sometimes erroneously claimed that the EU exists to ensure peace, but actions speak much louder than mere words.
TTT, Article 50 starts, " Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention."
The important word there is "intention" which suggests (to me at least) there is no obligation to leave and a government may change its mind about leaving.
A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention."
The important word there is "intention" which suggests (to me at least) there is no obligation to leave and a government may change its mind about leaving.
Yes NJ and Tora. Apologies, I was mixing up the A50 invocation with the deal vote in my mention of Ms Miller.
I do believe there are still questions over Parliament’s role in approving a deal legally and politically, before the Government could walk out of withdrawal negotiations without an agreement.
When the Article 50 Bill passed through Parliament, some members of the House of Lords tabled amendments to give Parliament greater voting power on the outcome of Brexit negotiations. The House of Lords passed one amendment which proposed to give Parliament three separate votes: on an exit deal, new deal and no deal.
I understand that a parliamentary rejection could send the Government back to the negotiating table in Brussels, or even stop Brexit from happening altogether and I think this is what Farage is referring to.
I also understand this is unlikely unlikely as for this to happen, it would have to trigger a series of political events that could lead to the UK attempting to revoke its Article 50 notification. As a further complication, I don’t believe it’s been established whether the UK can actually take back its Article 50 notification without the consent of all other EU member states.
Still, all jolly good fun eh!
I do believe there are still questions over Parliament’s role in approving a deal legally and politically, before the Government could walk out of withdrawal negotiations without an agreement.
When the Article 50 Bill passed through Parliament, some members of the House of Lords tabled amendments to give Parliament greater voting power on the outcome of Brexit negotiations. The House of Lords passed one amendment which proposed to give Parliament three separate votes: on an exit deal, new deal and no deal.
I understand that a parliamentary rejection could send the Government back to the negotiating table in Brussels, or even stop Brexit from happening altogether and I think this is what Farage is referring to.
I also understand this is unlikely unlikely as for this to happen, it would have to trigger a series of political events that could lead to the UK attempting to revoke its Article 50 notification. As a further complication, I don’t believe it’s been established whether the UK can actually take back its Article 50 notification without the consent of all other EU member states.
Still, all jolly good fun eh!
But if we leave without a deal we are much much better off than the EU. I think their loss is somewhere in the region of 500billion and our gain 600billion ish.
It is in their best interests to have a free trade deal. But not everything is about trade. Some of it is about self determination, self rule, control of what WE consider important.
Some of those considerations may be the same as the EU and there is nothing, apart from the EU arrogance, to stop a mutually beneficial arrangement.
The single market is not the be all and end all of this but some people seem to think it is.
It is in their best interests to have a free trade deal. But not everything is about trade. Some of it is about self determination, self rule, control of what WE consider important.
Some of those considerations may be the same as the EU and there is nothing, apart from the EU arrogance, to stop a mutually beneficial arrangement.
The single market is not the be all and end all of this but some people seem to think it is.
Of course the problem with leaving at all is we lose influence in the EU and the ability to to affect the rules we may have to live with to keep our access to parts of it. In an inevitable global world it is less of an issue to have "control" only over our own affairs. At the moment we have influence over other EU countries and that will diminish.
It was quite funny watching the new Tory party chairman on the TV earlier admitting that the latest government initiative to abolish credit card charges is actually an EU decision, but actually - as he also pointed out with not a hint of detectable irony
- one the Tories' group in the EU parliament helped to bring about.
It was quite funny watching the new Tory party chairman on the TV earlier admitting that the latest government initiative to abolish credit card charges is actually an EU decision, but actually - as he also pointed out with not a hint of detectable irony
- one the Tories' group in the EU parliament helped to bring about.
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