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fender62 | 17:15 Sat 03rd Feb 2018 | News
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threats to rip it down or deface it, what with the churchill cafe business..its getting a little out of hand.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5347425/Row-erupts-plan-commemorate-Enoch-Powells-life.html#comments
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A Classics scholar and something of a brainbox, but alarmist politics were dangerous and divisive. Britain has always welcomed immigrants, and Afro-Carribbean immigration was never problem for Britain. Islamic terrorist was not on the radar when Powell was around and that is the main threat to Britain and the West
19:31 Sat 03rd Feb 2018
Some just can't accept that you can vehemently disagree with the views of others dead or alive but you have no need to translate that into an illegal act.
You’re putting Powell in the same bracket as Churchill? Ssshhurly shome mishtake!
I agree, ZM. Enoch stood head and shoulders above Churchill.
It's a difficult one.

Was EP a significant figure in Wolverhampton's history - yes he was, and as such it may be considered appropriate to commemorate him.

But since he was most remembered for his divisive race speech, is it then appropriate to commemorate him?

It's not possible to divorce one from the other.

As a extreme parallel - Hitler loved dogs, but you wouldn't see him getting an honorary mention in RSPCA lists of dog-loving figures from history!

I would be inclined to give the plaque a swerve - it's going to cause more harm than good, and it's not as though anyone is going to remember Mr Powell for much else than his infamous prophesies.
The Pretended
Oops wrong thread.
I agree with Andy.
It's not possible to divorce one from the other.


It is when it suits you andy.
I don't agree with andy. Cue long winded and boring reply that I am not remotely interested in ...
can't see why a health minister would qualify for a blue plaque (will Jeremy Hunt get one?), but I suppose Wolverhampton have to make do with what they've got.
Its one of those things isn't it....if Wolverhampton want to put a plaque up then fine....and no naughty people shouldn't go and vandalise it....but we kind of know they are gonna......
I mean he is basically known for one speech and one attitude....and not an especially valid one at that.
Talbot - // It's not possible to divorce one from the other.


It is when it suits you andy. //

I have no idea what that means, but history shows that it may lead into a pointless off-thread argument, so I'll just leave it there.
hereIam - //I don't agree with andy. Cue long winded and boring reply that I am not remotely interested in ... //

I note your disagreement.
jno - // can't see why a health minister would qualify for a blue plaque (will Jeremy Hunt get one?), but I suppose Wolverhampton have to make do with what they've got. //

That's the issues isn't it - the only reason EP is remembered at all is for a thinly veiled racist rant - not something I would want to think would be commemorated.

Give the Man a Plaque and come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who defaces it, after all he was one of the areas more influential and far sighted residents.
Baldric - // Give the Man a Plaque and come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who defaces it, after all he was one of the areas more influential and far sighted residents. //

'Far sighted'?

Seriously?
Enoch did say what many of us thought, and has since been proved right in a lot of cases.
I will tell you what it means.

You can't separate all the good a politician did for his constituency from a speech

but you can separate a paedophile from his perceived great music.
//It is when it suits you andy. // someone
//I have no idea what that means,// the great andie H

oh I do andie - a few days ago didnt someone unite Hannah Hauzwell, Daleswoman and Quentin Crisp - nude male model and gay activist ? - now who was that andie?
a juxta position perhaps made in Heaven. One I was keen to divorce at er birth or first mention

and then the same poster glowed incandescent with overloaded ire and disgust and spluttered with rage when someone else united the 93 dead at Grenfell Tower and the Holocaust ? - at least they were all dead and shouldnt be....[ that would be me by the way]

and that I suggest is an example of one can divorce something when it suits. Just an opinion

My own view is that someone can dislike the memory of someone or something so much that they have to stab and stab at the plaster plaque until it stops moving and is in pieces. Result - dead plaster plaque and in bits

It sortta gives and idea of what people were thinking when they were casting down Romish images of idolatry in the 1540s - or 1620s - chopping off the heads of all those baby jesuses and lopping off the noses of the Virgin

or what the iconoclasts felt in the 5th century when they were smashing images during the reign of Leo the erm Iconoclast. empire of byzantium that is
Why shouldnt a professor of Greek get a blue plaque ?

I mean what is wrong with a conservative politician and former cabinet minister ( immigration and health - surely not surely not the first ) saying "Dont vote for Heath or else he will get in"

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