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We can stay in the EU as long as they address the problems. I wonder why Dave didn't try that? hang on!
We can stay in the EU as long as they address the problems. I wonder why Dave didn't try that? hang on!
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It's only politicians that make this difficult. I know of someone who was drafted into the Brexit department from the private sector and she gave up after four weeks. Every department is a separate and competeing organisation that is out to protect itself. She said that there were over a hundred government officials and workers BUT she advised getting rid of...
18:21 Sun 04th Mar 2018
Tony who...... Oh that's the bloke who gave away most of the rebate (negotiated by Margaret Thatcher) in exchange for reform of the CAP. What happened? Nothing.
And whilst we're on about our worst PMs, how come Major is asking for a free vote for Tory MPs. He put a three line whip down for Maastricht treaty. Only one person Voted against (Bill Cash) and he had the whip taken away.
And whilst we're on about our worst PMs, how come Major is asking for a free vote for Tory MPs. He put a three line whip down for Maastricht treaty. Only one person Voted against (Bill Cash) and he had the whip taken away.
Immigration isn't the only issue; sovereignty is the main one.
A changed EU would not be sufficient unless it dropped the federalism/control nonsense.
There will be no second referendum as the decision has been made and the process is already ongoing.
The guy has no idea.
Folk have saying for decades that the EU must protect its external borders from immigration. That has nothing to do with free movement over a single island by the choice of both countries involved. The two can't reasonably be compared.
A changed EU would not be sufficient unless it dropped the federalism/control nonsense.
There will be no second referendum as the decision has been made and the process is already ongoing.
The guy has no idea.
Folk have saying for decades that the EU must protect its external borders from immigration. That has nothing to do with free movement over a single island by the choice of both countries involved. The two can't reasonably be compared.
“Haven’t you Euro skeptics been saying for decades that the EU must protect its external borders.”
I think you are being either disingenuous or deliberately mischievous (or a little of both) Gromit.
You know as well as anyone that there has been no border on the island of Ireland for 100 years. No particular threat is posed to the integrity of the EU by an unregulated border between Ireland and the UK any more than is posed by the borders that Switzerland (also not an EU member or a member of the Customs Union) shares with its EU neighbours. As I mentioned earlier, it would be interesting to learn exactly what threat the EU believes needs to be mitigated by a borderless Ireland. It would also be interesting to learn why the EU believes such a robust border is necessary when it is quite prepared to see its southern borders patrolled by what appears to be nothing less than a free ferry service from the coasts of northern Africa.
“Now that we will be on the wrong side of the EU external border,…”
What on Earth makes you say we will be on the “wrong” side?
I think you are being either disingenuous or deliberately mischievous (or a little of both) Gromit.
You know as well as anyone that there has been no border on the island of Ireland for 100 years. No particular threat is posed to the integrity of the EU by an unregulated border between Ireland and the UK any more than is posed by the borders that Switzerland (also not an EU member or a member of the Customs Union) shares with its EU neighbours. As I mentioned earlier, it would be interesting to learn exactly what threat the EU believes needs to be mitigated by a borderless Ireland. It would also be interesting to learn why the EU believes such a robust border is necessary when it is quite prepared to see its southern borders patrolled by what appears to be nothing less than a free ferry service from the coasts of northern Africa.
“Now that we will be on the wrong side of the EU external border,…”
What on Earth makes you say we will be on the “wrong” side?
//I think you are being either disingenuous or deliberately mischievous (or a little of both)//
I think you are too, NJ, by implying that the Irish don't want a border as if they would be happy with the North and the South under different trading agreements. I don't think that is the case. The Irish to my knowledge want a trading agreement between them and the North, which of course would be between the EU and the North, and which would effectively put a border at the Irish Sea.
I think you are too, NJ, by implying that the Irish don't want a border as if they would be happy with the North and the South under different trading agreements. I don't think that is the case. The Irish to my knowledge want a trading agreement between them and the North, which of course would be between the EU and the North, and which would effectively put a border at the Irish Sea.
"...as if they would be happy with the North and the South under different trading agreements."
There are already different trading arrangements between the UK and Ireland. VAT in Ireland is 23% (20% in the UK). Corporation tax in Ireland is 12.5% (20% in the UK). There is no particular reason to suspect that the UK will suddenly depart from EU standards upon leaving and if it does the Irish will have to learn to adapt. If they want completely frictionless trade with the UK they might consider leaving the EU and joining the UK. The Irish leader has said that he has no wish to see a hard border in Ireland; the UK certainly does not. That only leaves one party that does.
There are already different trading arrangements between the UK and Ireland. VAT in Ireland is 23% (20% in the UK). Corporation tax in Ireland is 12.5% (20% in the UK). There is no particular reason to suspect that the UK will suddenly depart from EU standards upon leaving and if it does the Irish will have to learn to adapt. If they want completely frictionless trade with the UK they might consider leaving the EU and joining the UK. The Irish leader has said that he has no wish to see a hard border in Ireland; the UK certainly does not. That only leaves one party that does.
There's no such thing as a "soft" Brexit. It's like being slightly pregnant.
What the Irish Prime Minister really wants is for the UK to remain enthralled to his Lords and Masters in Brussels to a lesser or (preferably in his view) a greater degree. That would make life easier for him (and just about everybody else) but not more preferable.
What the Irish Prime Minister really wants is for the UK to remain enthralled to his Lords and Masters in Brussels to a lesser or (preferably in his view) a greater degree. That would make life easier for him (and just about everybody else) but not more preferable.
