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I do wonder how long this chap can keep doing a Ratner before his business gets trashed.
I like the comment from easyjet CEO though: 'If you start grounding your planes, I'm flying.'
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I like the comment from easyjet CEO though: 'If you start grounding your planes, I'm flying.'
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The 'fool' appears to be doing pretty well , running the airline
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RyanAir is very successful because of the ease with which we are able to travel around Europe. That will change after Brexit which is why O'Leary is against it.
I do not understand the reasoning behind any grounding. If there are any effects to air travel after Brexit then the Government will get the blame. A daft stunt by RyanAir will let the Government off the hook, and people will blame him.
I do not understand the reasoning behind any grounding. If there are any effects to air travel after Brexit then the Government will get the blame. A daft stunt by RyanAir will let the Government off the hook, and people will blame him.
“RyanAir is very successful because of the ease with which we are able to travel around Europe. That will change after Brexit which is why O'Leary is against it.”
Why will it? People travelling to and from the UK to other EU nations do so simply by producing a passport on arrival. This was the arrangement between most European countries long before the EU was thought of. What makes you think that will change? People travel from the UK and Ireland (neither of which are Schengen members) to Switzerland (neither an EU member nor a member of its Customs Union without any difficulties whatsoever. Or do you think the Euromaniacs will jeopardise their remaining members’ tourist industries as well as their trade and commerce simply to preserve their status as the Lords and Masters of all things European?
Since Mr O’Leary is not a UK citizen his views are superfluous. Grounding his aircraft is no big deal. He managed it without even trying last year when hundreds of his flights were cancelled due to “staffing difficulties” (principally caused by management ineptitude). Life went on.
Why will it? People travelling to and from the UK to other EU nations do so simply by producing a passport on arrival. This was the arrangement between most European countries long before the EU was thought of. What makes you think that will change? People travel from the UK and Ireland (neither of which are Schengen members) to Switzerland (neither an EU member nor a member of its Customs Union without any difficulties whatsoever. Or do you think the Euromaniacs will jeopardise their remaining members’ tourist industries as well as their trade and commerce simply to preserve their status as the Lords and Masters of all things European?
Since Mr O’Leary is not a UK citizen his views are superfluous. Grounding his aircraft is no big deal. He managed it without even trying last year when hundreds of his flights were cancelled due to “staffing difficulties” (principally caused by management ineptitude). Life went on.
//This was the arrangement between most European countries long before the EU was thought of. What makes you think that will change?//
Well of course it will change. The arrangement, and many more arrangements, were the very basis of the EU. We have chosen to leave the EU, or those arrangements, so can expect to have to make new arrangements. I suspect it won't be too difficult, but we can't expect it to be the same.
Well of course it will change. The arrangement, and many more arrangements, were the very basis of the EU. We have chosen to leave the EU, or those arrangements, so can expect to have to make new arrangements. I suspect it won't be too difficult, but we can't expect it to be the same.
“The arrangement, and many more arrangements, were the very basis of the EU.”
The arrangements for UK citizens travelling to other EU countries (and for UK citizens and most other EU citizens arriving in the UK) is exactly the same now as it has always been – you simply show a passport on arrival at the border. That didn’t change when we joined the EEC, did not change during our membership and is very unlikely to change after we have left. There may have been some other requirements for some of the more recent entrants to the EU (perhaps Poland, Romania and Bulgaria) but I’m not sure. The vast majority of journeys within what is now the EU have always been facilitated by a simple presentation of a passport.
Or have I overlooked something?
The arrangements for UK citizens travelling to other EU countries (and for UK citizens and most other EU citizens arriving in the UK) is exactly the same now as it has always been – you simply show a passport on arrival at the border. That didn’t change when we joined the EEC, did not change during our membership and is very unlikely to change after we have left. There may have been some other requirements for some of the more recent entrants to the EU (perhaps Poland, Romania and Bulgaria) but I’m not sure. The vast majority of journeys within what is now the EU have always been facilitated by a simple presentation of a passport.
Or have I overlooked something?
It isn't the same. We didn't use to go through an EU only section of passport control; one set up to make movement easier.
Also at the moment. if you fly say from Spain to Italy with a British passport you don't even go through passport control when you land in Italy. Presumably in the future you would have to fill out a declaration form on the plane and go through passport control if you are British.
None of this should present a big problem. However, it will be different, and different to before we had the EU, because there is a club now that makes movement easier, and we won't be in it.
Also at the moment. if you fly say from Spain to Italy with a British passport you don't even go through passport control when you land in Italy. Presumably in the future you would have to fill out a declaration form on the plane and go through passport control if you are British.
None of this should present a big problem. However, it will be different, and different to before we had the EU, because there is a club now that makes movement easier, and we won't be in it.
“We didn't use to go through an EU only section of passport control; one set up to make movement easier.”
No we didn’t. In practice, for arrivals from outside Schengen there is little or no difference in most EU countries between the procedure for EU citizens and that for non-EU citizens. The big difference came about for UK citizens returning home. They used to have a “UK Passport holders” section. Now they only have an EU channel. So instead of a queue comprised solely of their compatriots they now have to line up behind visitors from 27 other countries.
“Also at the moment. if you fly say from Spain to Italy with a British passport you don't even go through passport control when you land in Italy. Presumably in the future you would have to fill out a declaration form on the plane and go through passport control if you are British.”
No you won’t. Ignoring the “temporary” border controls invoked occasionally to deal with migration crises, there are no border controls for intra-Schengen flights (or any other cross-border traffic) within that area. There is absolute freedom of movement for all people once they have entered the area. These are the rules:
“For flights within the Schengen Area law enforcement agencies, airport authorities and air carriers are only permitted to carry out security checks on passengers and may not carry out border checks. Such a practice must only be used to verify the passenger's identity (for commercial or transport security reasons) and not his or her immigration status.”
There is thus no difference between the way EU citizens and non-EU citizens are treated and nothing like a declaration form would be required.”
So I will say again that in practice there will be no discernible difference in the arrangements needed for the vast majority of UK citizens travelling to Europe post-Brexit. Of course the EU could always place a visa requirement on UK visitors (leaving the UK out of the visa exemption list which includes countries such as Argentina, Bolivia, Ecuador, Panama, Parguay and Uruguay). That wouldn’t surprise me but I doubt it will happen. Currently visa-free travel is available from those countries only for trips of three months or less for those not intending to work. If that applies to UK citizens then I agree those (relatively very few) travellers who want to stay longer or work will see their arrangements changed. Other than that I will repeat that if you consider the current arrangements and those that will prevail post Brexit there will be no significant difference for the vast majority of travellers. Anything that suggests that travelling for your annual two weeks in Benidorm will be any more difficult is simply scaremongering.
No we didn’t. In practice, for arrivals from outside Schengen there is little or no difference in most EU countries between the procedure for EU citizens and that for non-EU citizens. The big difference came about for UK citizens returning home. They used to have a “UK Passport holders” section. Now they only have an EU channel. So instead of a queue comprised solely of their compatriots they now have to line up behind visitors from 27 other countries.
“Also at the moment. if you fly say from Spain to Italy with a British passport you don't even go through passport control when you land in Italy. Presumably in the future you would have to fill out a declaration form on the plane and go through passport control if you are British.”
No you won’t. Ignoring the “temporary” border controls invoked occasionally to deal with migration crises, there are no border controls for intra-Schengen flights (or any other cross-border traffic) within that area. There is absolute freedom of movement for all people once they have entered the area. These are the rules:
“For flights within the Schengen Area law enforcement agencies, airport authorities and air carriers are only permitted to carry out security checks on passengers and may not carry out border checks. Such a practice must only be used to verify the passenger's identity (for commercial or transport security reasons) and not his or her immigration status.”
There is thus no difference between the way EU citizens and non-EU citizens are treated and nothing like a declaration form would be required.”
So I will say again that in practice there will be no discernible difference in the arrangements needed for the vast majority of UK citizens travelling to Europe post-Brexit. Of course the EU could always place a visa requirement on UK visitors (leaving the UK out of the visa exemption list which includes countries such as Argentina, Bolivia, Ecuador, Panama, Parguay and Uruguay). That wouldn’t surprise me but I doubt it will happen. Currently visa-free travel is available from those countries only for trips of three months or less for those not intending to work. If that applies to UK citizens then I agree those (relatively very few) travellers who want to stay longer or work will see their arrangements changed. Other than that I will repeat that if you consider the current arrangements and those that will prevail post Brexit there will be no significant difference for the vast majority of travellers. Anything that suggests that travelling for your annual two weeks in Benidorm will be any more difficult is simply scaremongering.
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