'gay Cake' Back In Court

[naomi24]

//A Northern Ireland bakery found to have discriminated for refusing to make a "gay cake" will have its appeal heard by the Supreme Court later on Tuesday.
Ashers Bakery are challenging the ruling over their decision - in 2014 - not to make a cake iced with the slogan "Support Gay Marriage".
Appeal court judges upheld the original decision in 2016.
The Supreme Court will hear the case on Tuesday and Wednesday during its first-ever hearings in Northern Ireland.//

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43955734

I didn’t realise this argument was still going on. Will an appeal to the Supreme Court succeed? I have my doubts.

[gingejbee]

I see all the same people are saying all the same things as when this was "discussed" ad nauseam on several previous occasions....

[sp1814]

Just a note for those who admonish the customers for ‘seeking out Christian bakers’, and for all those who ask why this is about Christians and not Muslims...

...it happened in Northern Ireland.

Think about that for a moment.

Have you been to Northern Ireland?

I have.

It’s incredibly easy to find establishments run by Christians.

Not so much Muslims.

So...please...let’s put that one to bed.

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "Do you seriously think that these people asked around until they found a 'Christian' bakery and then created a situation whereby they could take the owners to court?" - no they probably heard about it through their circle and went to order the cake simply for effect.

[ToraToraTora]

There few muslims running shops in NI SP, right oh!

[ummmm]

What is with the 'right oh' on every post?

NI...does not have the same amount of Muslim shops...FACT.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // AH: "Do you seriously think that these people asked around until they found a 'Christian' bakery and then created a situation whereby they could take the owners to court?" - no they probably heard about it through their circle and went to order the cake simply for effect. //

If you read the thread you would know that one AB'er knows the gentleman involved personally and he was advised by colleagues that this shop would make the cake he wanted.

He didn't use 'their circle' - whatever that means! He's gay, not a mason!!!

[Islay]

What a *** of a thing to say!!

[Islay]

My last comment is to TTT not AH

[murraymints]

can one not be gay AND a Mason ? tee hee :0)

[andy-hughes]

jackdaw - // Therefore (I nearly said 'so') if a Muslim girl at the checkout refuses to scan my packet of bacon and my bottle of gin because of her beliefs, is that not religious discrimination? I see no difference between that scenario and the one under discussion here, except that the former would not come to court. 'Discrimination' laws, from where I'm sitting, seem to be a one-way street. //

The two do not compare for a number of reasons.

One - a checkout operator can reasonably expect to sell pork products and alcohol on a daily basis, and therefore any issues would have been addressed before she (or indeed he) was employed. On the seeriusly rare occasions when this does happen - as advised, it makes the news, but it's easily sorted out.

Two - not selling something because of the operator's religious restrictions is not prejudicial to you as a customer. She is not refusing to serve you as an individual because of anything about you - faith / orientation etc., she is refusing because of her own restrictions, and that is not prejudice.

[dannyk13]

Why not Minty. Gordons are gay aren't they.

[Bazile]

I have just had a thought , her indoors loves her bacon and often deposit a packet of bacon on the conveyor belt when we go shopping

Often the checkout operator is a muslim , yet we have never had a refusal to scan the said product.

How does that work then ?

[Mamyalynne]

Gin is gay?

[andy-hughes]

murray - // can one not be gay AND a Mason ? tee hee :0) //

I should jolly well think not!!

Of course, you are a gel, so you don't need to worry your pretty little head about such matters.

[ToraToraTora]

same thing with the B&B, get over it, they have too much time on their hands they want to find something to make a fuss about so they can achieve the attention they crave. Due to the gullibility of the general public it's worked well. If I go to a shop and they don't want my custom I go elsewhere, end of and right oh!

[andy-hughes]

Bazile - // I have just had a thought , her indoors loves her bacon and often deposit a packet of bacon on the conveyor belt when we go shopping

Often the checkout operator is a muslim , yet we have never had a refusal to scan the said product.

How does that work then ? //

It entirely depends on the devoutness of the individual.

Some Muslims refuse to touch alcohol or bacon, even through the packaging, but the majority are perfectly happy to do so, with no issue whatsoever.

It's rather like the idea that some Christian bakers are perfectly willing to ice cakes with messages that don't align with their beliefs, and others are self-aggrandizing bigoted criminals who have to make sure everyone knows just how 'pure' they are.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // same thing with the B&B, get over it, they have too much time on their hands they want to find something to make a fuss about so they can achieve the attention they crave. Due to the gullibility of the general public it's worked well. If I go to a shop and they don't want my custom I go elsewhere, end of and right oh! //

Who is 'they'?

Gays are not a separate species you know.

[ToraToraTora]

you well know who "they" - I note you choose to pick on my terminology rather than the substance.

[murraymints]

you can't be gay AND a Mason ??? whyever not ?

[naomi24]

andy-ughes, //others are self-aggrandizing bigoted criminals who have to make sure everyone knows just how 'pure' they are. //

I have to take issue with that because that's spiteful. The bakers didn't bring this to the attention of the public. If anyone is advertising the bakers' purity it's the 'offended' who decided to sue.