Was There A Need To Take A Whole Week Of The Grenfell Tower Inquiry With Tributes To The Victims?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2018/may/30/grenfell-inquiry-final-day-of-tributes-live-updates?page=with:block-5b0ee898e4b069235b5cebc3

Or was this to somehow cater to those demanding that they have a presence in what they suspect will turn out to be a whitewash of an inquiry?

[Islay]

A whole week? Is that all - this was murder on a mass scale - should have longer!

[Ken4155]

I understand why it was done, but it may have been better if each day of the inquiry had begun with 2 or 3 of these tributes. That way, those holding the inquiry would have had their 'focus' recharged each morning.

[sunny-dave]

Now that is an excellent idea Ken - very nicely put.

[anotheoldgit]

Islay

/// A whole week? Is that all - this was murder on a mass scale - should have longer! ///

You are once again over exaggerating, it was not Murder, manslaughter maybe, but we will have to see when the inquiry is over.

[Ken4155]

Thanks, Dave. I can be quite sensible, sometimes :-)

[Islay]

Well we have to agree to disagree AOG for once.

[Togo]

//a letter to The Times caught my eye. It was written by Michael Jones, a solicitor who attended the inquest into the Aberfan disaster in 1966, when a landslide from a colliery waste tip engulfed the Welsh village’s primary school, claiming the lives of 116 children and 28 adults. Mr Jones points out that the Aberfan tribunal judge, Lord Justice Edmund-Davies, concentrated on the ‘responsibility for the slippage of the tip’ and ‘did not spend days hearing the testimonies of the bereaved parents’.Nor were relatives given the chance to air their stories of loss at the inquest where the coroner offered them only sympathy and explained he already had the evidence he needed concerning the dead. Although the relatives were not pleased, Mr Jones says he always thought the coroner right. ‘Lamentation is not the purpose of an inquest,’ he says.//

Wrong sort of victims of course.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5773579/We-need-look-past-emotion-Grenfell-fire-disaster-nail-truth.html

[Kathyan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the fire started with a fridge? It doesn't seem to get much of a mention now. Yes the fire was exacerbated by the cladding but that seems to be the focus of this inquiry.

[anotheoldgit]

Good link Togo, by the newspaper that dares to print the thoughts of many.

[Mamyalynne]

//Wrong sort of victims of course//

Abhorrent phrase whoever said it.

I feel it's been the right thing to do, Ken's idea is sound as well.

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

/// Abhorrent phrase whoever said it. ///

Wasn't me miss, honest.

[Bigbad]

I thought that an enquiry was about getting to the root of, and addressing the cause, and establishing who, if anyone, was negligent.

Of course relatives are grieving, but an official enquiry shouldn’t be about feelings and sentimentality.

[Quizmonster]

At least the tributes have shown, by and large, where the relatives of the dead believe any blame lies, whether there is a whitewash or not.

[Ellipsis]

> the Aberfan disaster in 1966 ... Wrong sort of victims of course.

Or just different times. If the same/similar to Aberfan happened now, would the inquiry be conducted like it was in 1966 or more along the Grenfell lines of 2018?

[Ken4155]

The other difference, of course, is that the item quoted by Togo came from the INQUEST into Aberfan. This is an INQUIRY. Two very different things.

[sp1814]

Spot on Ellipsis

We need to remember that the past and the present do not exist on a single linear plane. The reaction to what happened in 1966 simply cannot be compared to what happened today because [i]the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.[i].

[dave50]

Hope its not going to end up like the Hillsborough disaster, going on forever and ever.

[sp1814]

In answer to AOG's question...I think Ken4155 makes a good point. Each day, the grieving families should have a session in the morning where we can hear the human stories behind the numbers.

Those leading the inquiry need to perform a forensic investigation, but I think it would help focus their minds if they have real people within the thought process, rather than a number of dead people.

[sp1814]

Ah yes Ken4155...inquest and inquiry.

Very good point.

[Togo]

Can't remember for sure, but did we have "inquiries" every few days back then? Or was an inquest considered to be the correct procedure? Plus of course, the spurious argument about "different times" doesn't seem to hold much weight when other "issues" or historic events are being discussed. Just keep moving the goalposts why don't you.