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Sadiq Khan Admits He Is To Blame....
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....so why doesn't he resign? https:/
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I'd like nothing more than the scalp of a Labour mayor but he is not to blame. A generation of right on Liberal thinking is to blame. Turning the old bill from a crime fighting unit into psuedo social workers is to blame. Out of touch judiciary is to blame, prisons like Butlins, etc. No wonder the streets are full of feral savages. How long before London resembles something out of "Escape from new York"?
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He is not accepting blame, he is saying he is responsible for policing in the City. But the Government have cut the number of police officers by 10,000 nationwide.
Criminals know that they are unlikely to see a PC, and are likely to get away with crimes because the police will not investigate many crimes.
Criminals know that they are unlikely to see a PC, and are likely to get away with crimes because the police will not investigate many crimes.
“we're a collective but we can't even act like one because half of the population wants England to separate from the world and do its own thing and ignore any other race, religion or demographic and the other half wants us to reunite with all nations peacefully with love and create a mixed culture.
Give it a few years when the oldies die out, and the new youngsters will probably have better ideas.”
So let’s have a little think then. This question is about the epidemic of violence in London. According to the above (if I’m reading between the lines correctly) “we” (whoever that might be) cannot act collectively to tackle the problem because half of us “…wants England to separate from the world and do its own thing and ignore any other race, religion or demographic” (i.e. leave the EU) and the other half wants us "...to reunite with all nations peacefully with love and create a mixed culture.” (i.e. remain in the EU).
Right. So that is why the epidemic of thugs committing violent crime on mopeds cannot be tackled by the police. Further than that since (so we are told) it was predominantly older people who voted to leave the EU, when they “die out”, as you so delicately put it, the younger people still around, apart from wanting to remain in the EU, will have some idea how to tackle the problem.
Some news just in (which may come as a shock): older people and those who voted to leave (be they one and the same or not) are not responsible for this spate of violence. They are not responsible for tackling it (that is the job of the police). The “society” of which you insist there is only one and of which we are all part is no such thing. The people who perpetrate crimes such as these are not part of the society to which I belong and it is not my fault that they behave in the way they do.
“AOG, no you’re right you had bloody world wars…”
And of course they were both the fault of the United Kingdom (or more probably in your view, the English).
I don’t normally denounce other posts as utter rubbish but I’m veering towards such a conclusion in this case.
“Criminals know that they are unlikely to see a PC,…”
The disappearance of Plod from the streets long pre-dates the cuts to which Mr Kahn refers. Police officers have long since retreated to their bunkers and avoid the nasty streets as far as possible, venturing out only when absolutely essential. Instead they prefer to observe things remotely either by CCTV or monitoring "Social Meeja". Between taking and posting selfies on said Meeja they like to concentrate on more agreeable crimes such as nasty posts on Facebook and Twitter or visiting people to “warn” them against feeding their neighbour’s cat. They need to get off their arisses, get out on the streets and feel some collars.
Give it a few years when the oldies die out, and the new youngsters will probably have better ideas.”
So let’s have a little think then. This question is about the epidemic of violence in London. According to the above (if I’m reading between the lines correctly) “we” (whoever that might be) cannot act collectively to tackle the problem because half of us “…wants England to separate from the world and do its own thing and ignore any other race, religion or demographic” (i.e. leave the EU) and the other half wants us "...to reunite with all nations peacefully with love and create a mixed culture.” (i.e. remain in the EU).
Right. So that is why the epidemic of thugs committing violent crime on mopeds cannot be tackled by the police. Further than that since (so we are told) it was predominantly older people who voted to leave the EU, when they “die out”, as you so delicately put it, the younger people still around, apart from wanting to remain in the EU, will have some idea how to tackle the problem.
Some news just in (which may come as a shock): older people and those who voted to leave (be they one and the same or not) are not responsible for this spate of violence. They are not responsible for tackling it (that is the job of the police). The “society” of which you insist there is only one and of which we are all part is no such thing. The people who perpetrate crimes such as these are not part of the society to which I belong and it is not my fault that they behave in the way they do.
“AOG, no you’re right you had bloody world wars…”
And of course they were both the fault of the United Kingdom (or more probably in your view, the English).
I don’t normally denounce other posts as utter rubbish but I’m veering towards such a conclusion in this case.
“Criminals know that they are unlikely to see a PC,…”
The disappearance of Plod from the streets long pre-dates the cuts to which Mr Kahn refers. Police officers have long since retreated to their bunkers and avoid the nasty streets as far as possible, venturing out only when absolutely essential. Instead they prefer to observe things remotely either by CCTV or monitoring "Social Meeja". Between taking and posting selfies on said Meeja they like to concentrate on more agreeable crimes such as nasty posts on Facebook and Twitter or visiting people to “warn” them against feeding their neighbour’s cat. They need to get off their arisses, get out on the streets and feel some collars.
NJ
//Police officers have long since retreated to their bunkers and avoid the nasty streets as far as possible, venturing out only when absolutely essential.//
You don’t know what you’re talking about. As someone who has many police mates, it disgusts me that you can sit there in the safety of your home and cast generalised aspersions on the BRAVE men and women who risk their lives on a daily basis to protect us.
Shame, shame, shame on you.
You really know nothing about what police face every single day.
//Police officers have long since retreated to their bunkers and avoid the nasty streets as far as possible, venturing out only when absolutely essential.//
You don’t know what you’re talking about. As someone who has many police mates, it disgusts me that you can sit there in the safety of your home and cast generalised aspersions on the BRAVE men and women who risk their lives on a daily basis to protect us.
Shame, shame, shame on you.
You really know nothing about what police face every single day.
Interesting
"More police officers per head now than fifty years ago, figures show ":
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"More police officers per head now than fifty years ago, figures show ":
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But even assuming the claimed 20K less, that is across the country if you employed them back (across the country) unless you are Ms Abbott it is quite clear that there would not be enough extra in London at any one point in time to make any significant impact.
Changes have to be made to the way police work and to aid them the CPS and in particular the judiciary need to lock up the savages (and not after 20 or more offences).
More jails needed? Fine, build them. Long term they wont be needed. Make crime not pay.
Changes have to be made to the way police work and to aid them the CPS and in particular the judiciary need to lock up the savages (and not after 20 or more offences).
More jails needed? Fine, build them. Long term they wont be needed. Make crime not pay.
YMB,
Your link, the ONS says that crime is plummeting...
// The independent Crime Survey for England and Wales – acknowledged by the ONS as our best measure of long term crime trends experienced by individuals and families, shows a substantial fall of 9 per cent, in the year ending June 2017 and 38 per cent since June 2010." //
Yippee! Everyone is wrong, there is no rise in crime.
Your link, the ONS says that crime is plummeting...
// The independent Crime Survey for England and Wales – acknowledged by the ONS as our best measure of long term crime trends experienced by individuals and families, shows a substantial fall of 9 per cent, in the year ending June 2017 and 38 per cent since June 2010." //
Yippee! Everyone is wrong, there is no rise in crime.
https:/
and from the article.
\\The Met dramatically reduced the number of random stop and searches in 2012 in an effort to improve relations with black and ethnic minority communities.//
And then there's this.
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perhaps some of those officers could be out pounding the beat.
and from the article.
\\The Met dramatically reduced the number of random stop and searches in 2012 in an effort to improve relations with black and ethnic minority communities.//
And then there's this.
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perhaps some of those officers could be out pounding the beat.
I know a great deal more about the police service than you imagine, sp, and my information comes from more than police officer mates.
I am not denigrating the bravery of front line officers who do get out and about to keep us safe. Nor am I blaming those who have to stay indoors for doing so. I am blaming the management of the police service (not politicians because they don't manage it) for their abrogation of responsibility. The crimes that trouble people most - the ones they fear being the victims of - are burglary, physical assault, and the kind of violent robbery that is mentioned in this question. Coincidentally they are also the crimes that often cause them the gravest physical damage. In the main they are not too worried about having derogatory remarks posted about them online; they are not worried about so-called "hate" crimes which cause them little or no harm; they do not wish to see what are said to be scarce resources wasted investigating allegations against people who are dead. The decisions on the policies that divert resources away from dealing with the crimes that worry people most towards those that scarcely trouble them at all lies with the senior ranks within the service. They have taken the decision to manage their forces as a branch of the social services, mopping up the tears of delicate souls who collapse at the sight of a harsh message on Twitter. They have encouraged their officers to "engage" with the local communities, posting pictures of themselves online in all manner of ludicrous situations. They are the people whom I blame for seeing a large proportion of their staff off the streets. Instead they stare at screens and investigate crimes that trouble few people whilst bleating that they have nobody to investigate burglary.
I am not denigrating the bravery of front line officers who do get out and about to keep us safe. Nor am I blaming those who have to stay indoors for doing so. I am blaming the management of the police service (not politicians because they don't manage it) for their abrogation of responsibility. The crimes that trouble people most - the ones they fear being the victims of - are burglary, physical assault, and the kind of violent robbery that is mentioned in this question. Coincidentally they are also the crimes that often cause them the gravest physical damage. In the main they are not too worried about having derogatory remarks posted about them online; they are not worried about so-called "hate" crimes which cause them little or no harm; they do not wish to see what are said to be scarce resources wasted investigating allegations against people who are dead. The decisions on the policies that divert resources away from dealing with the crimes that worry people most towards those that scarcely trouble them at all lies with the senior ranks within the service. They have taken the decision to manage their forces as a branch of the social services, mopping up the tears of delicate souls who collapse at the sight of a harsh message on Twitter. They have encouraged their officers to "engage" with the local communities, posting pictures of themselves online in all manner of ludicrous situations. They are the people whom I blame for seeing a large proportion of their staff off the streets. Instead they stare at screens and investigate crimes that trouble few people whilst bleating that they have nobody to investigate burglary.
NJ
//Police officers have long since retreated to their bunkers and avoid the nasty streets as far as possible, venturing out only when absolutely essential.//
Is completely different from:
//I know a great deal more about the police service than you imagine, sp, and my information comes from more than police officer mates.
//I am not denigrating the bravery of front line officers who do get out and about to keep us safe. Nor am I blaming those who have to stay indoors for doing so. I am blaming the management of the police service//
I'm going to leave this thread, as I have nothing more to say on the subject.
//Police officers have long since retreated to their bunkers and avoid the nasty streets as far as possible, venturing out only when absolutely essential.//
Is completely different from:
//I know a great deal more about the police service than you imagine, sp, and my information comes from more than police officer mates.
//I am not denigrating the bravery of front line officers who do get out and about to keep us safe. Nor am I blaming those who have to stay indoors for doing so. I am blaming the management of the police service//
I'm going to leave this thread, as I have nothing more to say on the subject.
I forgot to mention this point:
You wrote:
//they are not worried about so-called "hate" crimes which cause them little or no harm//
That's really naive. People are concerned with hate crimes. People are not comfortable with the idea of minorities being physically assaulted by bigots.
Just because you might be in a demographic which is unlikely to face such physical assaults doesn't mean that everyone else is not concerned about them.
You wrote:
//they are not worried about so-called "hate" crimes which cause them little or no harm//
That's really naive. People are concerned with hate crimes. People are not comfortable with the idea of minorities being physically assaulted by bigots.
Just because you might be in a demographic which is unlikely to face such physical assaults doesn't mean that everyone else is not concerned about them.
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