Dr Jane Barton

[-SharonA-]

How I wish she was around when my mum spent 3 agonising month in hospital, begging doctors to give her something to end her life. She was 80 and it was obvious she was never gonna get better.
She died screaming in agony as the lung cancer eventually claimed her life.
I am sure, half the patients families that are complaining would have welcomed her actions.

[tonyav]

I agree, Sharon.

Consultants were aware of her actions but did not intervene.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/gosport-hospital-more-than-450-patients-died-due-to-opioid-drugs-policy/ar-AAyTUNM?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=U345DHP

[237SJ]

I remember when people used to say "It was the morphine that killed her" I`m not sure that was a bad thing

[Prudie]

I am so sorry Sharon, there are two sides to view this from as you have shown. Unfortunately I'm at the other as my mother was put on similar drugs by her third day in hospital with meningitis and she never came back again. x

[jno]

the families who are complaining have been doing so for years and getting nowhere. I don't believe they would have been wasting their time like that if they actually wanted their loved ones to die. Not everyone does.

[-SharonA-]

But Prudie, was she a young woman?
I just think some people aren't realistic and sentiment just gets in the way of what is best for the patient.

[woofgang]

but surely it should be firstly the patient's choice and secondly the relatives?

[Mamyalynne]

I can totally understand your point Sharon, however not every patient involved in this case were in for end of life care - that's the difference.

I agreed with the 'Liverpool Care Plan' for my Husband as it was so lovingly explained to me, they treated him kindly but were champing at the bit to attach the syringe driver.

We only lost perhaps a few days together.

I'm sorry your Mother's death was so traumatic.

[Old_Geezer]

Evening news says no medical reason. If one was in agony there would be a medical reason wouldn't there ?

[237SJ]

I think the Liverpool pathway was done away with and thank God for that

[chrissa1]

I too am sorry to read your post about your mother Sharon, but a lot of the deaths seemed to have been caused, even though the patients did not have life threatening conditions.
Recovering from hip surgery being just one of them.

[Prudie]

No she wasn't young but was totally independent and 100% mental capacity. Monday she was out driving herself shopping, Tuesday into hospital with Meningitis (not diagnosed till Wednesday) on LCP by Thursday - we didn't really know anything about it at the time and put our complete trust in the consultant..

[Mamyalynne]

It was 237.

[-SharonA-]

Seriously though, how many of you have said, "if I end up like that, put me out of my misery" if you were in a vegetative state in hospital and unable to do anything yourself??

[237SJ]

I`m not sure how much impact large doses of morphine would have on someone who is in a vegetative state.

[woofgang]

but were all the people killed at Gosport in such a state?

[woofgang]

morphine suppresses breathing, they would die.

[Mamyalynne]

With respect our responses are serious.

[Peter Pedant]

the report is here
https://www.gosportpanel.independent.gov.uk/media/documents/070618_CCS207_CCS03183220761_Gosport_Inquiry_Whole_Document.pdf

all four hundred pages

various points arise - no witnesses were called ( I think - I got a bit tired reading it towards the end) and so it was a paper only

very patient oriented - well victim centric - so their voices were heard. I have had a day in court with a victim who was giving the doctors hell, and at the end of the day (£10 000 per day) a QC said: "we know the meeting occurred but the doctor you say was there, we can show was in Saudi at that time"

The hospital changed into a Trust half way thro - and Mr Samuel picked up the old hospital's management board minutes out of secure storage - and lost them! The contents list of the lost documents clearly state what was in them

Like Dame janet smith and shipman - where the Pontefract notes were lost - the God Bishop cheerily said - well I will tack on an extra 200 deaths will that do?

They get a professor ( having searched around for one who had actually stepped inside a cottage hospital once or twice doing rehab ) to say Morphine should only be used as an analgesic. Everyone knows it has a sedative action and drug addicts certainly arent taking it to kill the pain in their lives

Pt A is 91 ( yup) and described as completely independent -but has fallen over and broken a hip. Then post op she falls over again. and later dies. Does anyone realise what the mortality of hip fracture is in 90 y olds at one month ? The books put it at 10% - I would say more like 30%. The hip is meant to break before they fall over by the way.

So it worth a read - but shipman ( yup he gets a good mench ) she certainly isnt

This will herald a " oh no|! we cant give morphine !" famine on the wards by the way - or as an Irish doctor quipped ( heroin not allowed in Dublin ) the only place you can get heroin now is in the hospital car park .....

[Peter Pedant]

// I`m not sure how much impact large doses of morphine would have on someone who is in a vegetative state.//

same as one who is compos mentis

large here is 10-20 mg - double to dose they feel should have been given. this was over 24 hrs and so is 1.5 to 2 mg h-1 which I certainly would nt say was mega

I cant remember if in 1995 the nurses were allowed to twiddle the dose - turn it up down and off. They are now
clearly if they thought the patient was morphiated the obvious thing was to turn it off ....- as far as I can work out there is NO discussion of that at all ....

[david small]

They shoot horse’s, don’t they?