4 Years And 80 Lashes

[-Talbot-]

for dancing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44760840



I guess the answer is education?

[Gromit]

Jno,
Thanks for the Idle lyrics. Brilliant.

[jno]

not so very long since gays were locked up, or people on the Isle of Man were birched.

[sanmac]

"I am sure Abraham Lincoln, and Rosa Parkes, and Martin Luther King, and Nelson Mandela all thought that they faced an uphill apparently impossible task in changing the minds of millions of people." Yes, but the people you mentioned all did the educating and changing over a period of time within their own countries and same culture. This thread is specifically about Iranian culture. How are we going to get them to change? We are here, and they are there.

[Gromit]

Talbot,
Back on thread, the internet will be the undoing of the Iranian ayatollahs. They will be powerless to stop this form of entertainment, and the internet offers knowledge to Iranians who crave it.
That is why they are whipping people for posting YoyTube videos of themselves dancing.
But they will fail.

[fender62]

the clerics would say they rule under allah's guidance and the koran
they think they already know everything they need to know, western views on education to them is blasphemy idolatry...

[Gromit]

sanmac
We now live in a Global Information age, and it is far harder for repressive regimes to keep the lid on the box.
The Iran people will be exposed to other influences (they are dancing to western pop music) so they will also be being srlf educated by the internet.
Hopefully they are not watching the dross that Theland pists nightly.

[sanmac]

Gromit, your posts at 2103 and 2108 make some good points about the influence of the Internet.

[ToraToraTora]

yes gromit I do think that they (islamic countries generally) will be powerless to stop westernisation unless they clamp down on the internet in their countries, though even that will delay the inevitable.

[Gromit]

TTT
Whipping this woman for dancing is part of the clampdown. But it seems to have inspired more women to do the same in protest. With religious idiots in charge, the change could be swift and soon. Hopefully.

[Canary42]

/// I guess the answer is education? ///

The answer has to come from within. These young girls are following in the footsteps of the likes of the (earlier mentioned) Rosa Parkes, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela. Hopefully they will eventually succeed, but we should NOT interfere IMHO.

[-Talbot-]

Careful of your Tripadvisor review the next time you visit Egypt

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-egypt-politics/lebanese-tourist-sentenced-to-eight-years-in-prison-for-facebook-post-against-egypt-idUSKBN1JX0NJ

[naomi24]

Those who say education is the answer need to educate themselves in the intransigence of Islam and the mind-set it produces. How do you educate people who have no desire to be educated because they know without a shadow of doubt that their God is great, their prophet the perfect man and one to be emulated, their religion infallible, and those who teach it the fount of all wisdom? Comparisons with western figures in whatever area are simply a smoke screen. Islam doesn’t compare and it never will.

[ToraToraTora]

silly moo should have waited until she was out of the country talbot.

[Spicerack]

jno //not so very long since gays were locked up,//
Well, to be fair you had to go back 50 years to show us how barbaric we are.
Being locked up (for long) isn't of concern for Iranian gays.

[dave50]

If the leader of Iran visits the UK will there be a mass demonstration in London with a blow up caricature of their leader flown in the London sky? I wont hold my breath!

[naomi24]

Best you don't, Dave.

[andy-hughes]

I am sure that whatever the circumstances, when a section of the world's population required education in order to adjust practices which are harmful, there were the 'knowledge queens' who spoke from high, confirming that thanks to their 'knowledge', they have the definitive reason why people cannot be educated, and gradually a change can come about.

Fortunately, enough people ignore the 'knowledge queens' and their lofty pronouncements that nothing will change, because they say so, and people have carried on and made a change anyway.

Simply spouting off that people cannot be changed is an easy cop out from a difficult situation, and will ensure that nothing ever changes for the better.

Thank heavens such narrow-minded pronouncers are a tiny minority when measured against the people with the will to change things - otherwise nothing would ever alter for the better.

[sanmac]

Talking about lofty pronouncements , the one at 2002 must have floated down from an ivory tower.

[andy-hughes]

sanmac - You need a little more experience of personalities on this site before you start insulting people that you barely know.