Perhaps This Is One Reason The So-Called "anti-Trump Brigade" Take Such A Stance.

[Canary42]

Yet another U-Turn from Dear Donald.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44864739

No doubt the clamorous pro-Trump people will have excuses ready - or perhaps designate it fake news, in the true style of their idol.

[naomi24]

//'mis-speaking' is simply not an option when you hold that office - unless of course you are singularly ill-equipped to do so …. //

Haaaa! Like "I did not have sex with that woman", Clinton. What Trump said is ludicrous - but just saying.

[RobNorth]

Hilary Clinton claimed to have "misspoken" when she embellished her experience in Bosnia in 1996...

[anneasquith]

Here we go,,,,,, the trump supporters passing the blame to other politicians. Did trump teach you to do that, as he often blamed Obama for everything ? LOL

[naomi24]

Anneasquith. You misunderstand again. Andy-Hughes says those guilty of misspeaking are unfit for office so just mentioning others in that league. Just as well Hillary lost then, eh?

[ichkeria]

Trump isn’t guilty of misspeaking though.
He’s guilty of misclaiming that he misspoke :-)

[naomi24]

//He’s guilty of misclaiming that he misspoke //

Don't think so. That would be saying he was right in the first place.

[10ClarionSt]

Trump and Putin? Their meeting reminded me of that scene in Die Hard when Alan Rickmans men burst in and Ellis is panicking and flapping around, whilst
Mr. Takagi just stays motionless whilst looking frustratingly at Ellis; i.e. Ellis = Trump. Putin = Takagi.

[youngmafbog]

He can be a right plonker sometimes but has he gets the liberal elite all out sneering and spluttering their Tibetan peace porrige up the walls he's ok by me.

[ichkeria]

//He’s guilty of misclaiming that he misspoke //

"Don't think so. That would be saying he was right in the first place. "

Er, no, he's saying that he always meant to say what he's saying how, but the words came out wrong, which is, as I said before, simply a lie.

[xstitcher]

Come on Douglas, orang utans are intelligent animals. Don't insult them comparing them with this loathsome individual. :-))

[andy-hughes]

// //'mis-speaking' is simply not an option when you hold that office - unless of course you are singularly ill-equipped to do so …. //

Haaaa! Like "I did not have sex with that woman", Clinton. What Trump said is ludicrous - but just saying. //

Not comparable at all.

Clinton was lying - he knew he was lying, and he decided it was expedient to lie. That is what politicians do.

I am not for one minute excusing Clinton's behaviour, or lying about it.

But let's be clear about the difference.

Clinton lied because he thought he could lie his way out of a tricky situation, and he was wrong - but he knew exactly what he was doing, he took a risk, it didn't pay off.

Trump hasn't got a clue what is going on. He didn't 'mis-speak', he just thought he'd be nice to his new BFF. When he got back the real powers told him to set things straight, so he mumbled some garbage about 'mis-speaking', which as I said, is not an option for a President.

Clinton was a liar, Trump is a buffoon.

Everyone can make up their minds which they think is worse, and which did, or is doing the most damage.

[jim360]

Even if one rejects A-H's point, which strikes me as special pleading to an extent, it's still no good to excuse Trump's behaviour because Clinton was also at it. Clinton's denials and lies about Lewinsky were wrong, and Trump's behaviour is also wrong, and the two can't be linked together.

[naomi24]

Andy-hughes, //Clinton was a liar, Trump is a buffoon.//

Haha! A first from a Trump basher. Trump is not a liar.

Jim, you’re jumping in with both feet again. This particular conversation isn’t about excusing his behaviour.

ichkeria, //He’s guilty of misclaiming that he misspoke//

But he hasn’t misclaimed it. He very definitely claimed it.

Tell the truth, chaps. It's so much easier. ;o)

[andy-hughes]

// Trump is not a liar. //

Must be someone else who denied the quotes from his interview in The Sun as 'fake news' then - even though the newspaper produced a transcript.

Telling the truth is easier - but Trump wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit him.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //Trump wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit him. //

Don't know about that, but you certainly wouldn't. I read that transcript and it said nothing like your malicious version of it.

[naomi24]

And whilst we're at it, read what you said about liars.

//Clinton was a liar, Trump is a buffoon. //

[jim360]

Ah, but it is, Naomi, even if you personally might not be using it that way. It's pervasive in modern political commentary (or, if it's always been around, then it's more noticeable) to rely on "what about-ism" to deflect attention from criticism. Trump gets away with a lot because his supporters can't seem to shut up about what Hillary and Bill Clinton got up to.

By bringing it up yourself, it lends weight to that line of defence: Trump is bad, but so was Bill Clinton, so that makes it all right then (so the argument runs). And, if you weren't using it that way, then why bring it up at all?

[naomi24]

Jim, //Ah, but it is, Naomi//

Ah, but it isn’t, Jim. It began as a joke – hence the laughter - after andy-hughes claimed that those guilty of ‘misspeaking’ (what nonsense that word is!) are unfit for office - and anneasquith, eagerly grasping the wrong end of the stick as usual, eagerly jumped in.

//By bringing it up yourself, it lends weight to that line of defence: Trump is bad, but so was Bill Clinton, so that makes it all right then (so the argument runs).//

Your arguments might run like that – but mine don’t. I never have believed that two wrongs make a right.

//And, if you weren't using it that way, then why bring it up at all?//

See my first paragraph.

[andy-hughes]

// … after andy-hughes claimed that those guilty of ‘misspeaking’ (what nonsense that word is!) //

Indeed it is - rather like the people who use it - frequently.

And the people who defend the people who use it.

That's the thing about nonsense, it's a gift that just keeps giving.

[andy-hughes]

// … Your arguments might run like that – but mine don’t. I never have believed that two wrongs make a right. //

No, but bringing up another wrong may hopefully make your guy look a bit more right!

It doesn't obviously, but God loves a trier!