Sod People's Feeling And Bring In Stop And Search.

[webbo3]

https://news.sky.com/story/four-men-stabbed-in-south-london-11474316

[murraymints]

Agree...nuff's enough !

[douglas9401]

That ship sailed long ago, pointed at the horizon and destined never to return.
It'll have to get a lot worse to shake the resolve of the blinkered wreckers now that their new world order is in place.

[DTCwordfan]

Have them walk around nude and be done with it.

[Gromit]

Bring in stop and search?

Not only is it already in, (has been for years), London last year saw a four fold increase in the number of Top and Searches.

It is no coincidence that the increase in crime has occurred after the number of police officers has been cut by 10,000. Criminals know that they are unlikely to see a policeman, and that they are highly likely to get away with a crime because detection rates are so low.

[Gromit]

// After repeated cuts to police budgets which have meant officer numbers declining by more than 20,000 since the Conservatives gained power in 2010.

The Police inspectorate said that in the last year there was an 11% rise in recorded crime, from 60 crimes per 1,000 people in England and Wales. //

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/09/britains-police-budgets-to-lose-700m-by-2020-amid-rising

[vetuste_ennemi]

Post hoc propter hoc.

It's all Greek to me.

[Peter Pedant]

salve babies
( or in very late Latin - ciao bambini! )

isnt it - - - post hoc ERGO propter hoc - - - ?

and to mimic the junior prisons minister this am on the Beeb 0755 - and if it isnt -" I'll er go!"

the conditions the fair contributors of AB were stridently demanding were brought in this am - stop and search in Canberwell for the next 24 h

can I say that wiv such warning even the teenagers of Camberwell are gonna leave all their knives ( shivs, blades etc) in da kichin innit? Even those who have just failed all dair GCSEs

and so .... it is too early to say - "post" anything
anyway - how are they gonna measure success of the edict ?
the lack of four more teenagers (not) being stabbed shivved, cut in the next 24 h ? [yeah sozza trumpo double negative there]
again too early to say

excuse me now- I must go and soil my mattress ! ( poo-da-loo babies)

[ToraToraTora]

start banging them up for being tooled up, simples. Yes I know the beaks already have that option but they hardly ever use it.

[Peter Pedant]

bang em all up
the germans pioneered the concept of prison cities during the war

sudduv big ghettoes - in the East - I think Kiev was one - put barbed wire around the whole lot and force the whole pop into forced labour and shoot anyone who er didnt. There was this group who lived in the sewers for four years

[anotheoldgit]

This from the Daily Mail.

/// 'Additionally, a Section 60 has been authorised from 18:30hrs to 09:30hrs on Friday, 17 August, providing officers with powers to deter any further potential
trouble. ///

Oh so from 09.30hrs this morning offices will no longer be provided with powers to deter any further potential trouble.

So it's back to normal then, you couldn't make it up.

[dannyk13]

AOG, Do you know what Section 60 powers are? If not have a read.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/section/60

[webbo3]

Gromit,

\\// After repeated cuts to police budgets which have meant officer numbers declining by more than 20,000 since the Conservatives gained power in 2010.//

remember this tho,
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sadiq-khan-i-d-do-everything-in-my-power-to-cut-stop-and-search-a2924706.html


from the article.
\\The Met dramatically reduced the number of random stop and searches in 2012 in an effort to improve relations with black and ethnic minority communities.//


but they have plenty looking for hurty words.
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/920992101709635584?lang=en

[Gromit]

Webbo,
I have to admire your shifting of blame.

In 2012 you blame the Met for reducing S&S.
Fact, the Met would have to have had the approval of Home Secretary Theresa May, and the then London Mayor, Boris Johnson to enact such a plan.

You remind us of something Khan said in 2015.
// I’d do everything in my power to end stop and search. //

Now it is within his power, The Met under Khan’s Mayorship has quadrupled the number of stop and searches.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/13/met-chief-cressida-dick-stop-and-search-london
But you still want to blame him anyway.

[webbo3]

And then you have this idiot.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jan/14/david-lammy-criticises-sadiq-khan-over-vow-to-increase-stop-and-search


and Gromit.
\\In 2012 you blame the Met for reducing S&S.
Fact, the Met would have to have had the approval of Home Secretary Theresa May, and the then London Mayor, Boris Johnson to enact such a plan. //

but they still wanted to do it.

oh and dont forget the 900+ officers browsing the internet for nasty words.

[Gromit]

Webbo,
Good to see you now acknowledge that Stop and Searches have increased, and have not gone away as implied in your question.

However, there isn’t much sign that the increase is having any affect. Possibly because 85% are a waste of time.

[dannyk13]

Gromit
//Fact, the Met would have to have had the approval of Home Secretary Theresa May, and the then London Mayor, Boris Johnson to enact such a plan.//
Not true, how the police decide policing policy in the control of the Commisioner/Chief constable.

[youngmafbog]

"It is no coincidence that the increase in crime has occurred after the number of police officers has been cut by 10,000."

Official figures of the Met:
Metropolitan Police
2003 - 28,231 Bliar
2004 - 30,035
2005 - 31,073
2006 -30,948
2007 -31,128 Brown
2008 - 31,460
2009 - 32,610
2010 –33,367 Con/Lib
2011 - 32,441
2012 - 32,140
2013 - 30,398
2014 - 30,932
2015 - 31,877 Con
2016 - 32,125
2017 - 31,517

10, 000 less?

And even so how many Police do you think it would take to cover every street corner 24 hrs a day?

Police reductions are not the issue.

[youngmafbog]

Number of Police per 100,00 population
Metropolitan Police 359
Next highest
Merseyside 248
Lowest
Wiltshire 137

So if its down to numbers then why isnt Wiltshire the criminal capital of the UK?

[ToraToraTora]

I suspect the London ones are all in Gromit's Islington High st Himalayan Peace Tea shop against the bomb, YMB