Trump ‘ A Cross Between Nixon And Tony Soprano’?

[Zacs-Master]

More corruption proven around POTUS. Shame!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/21/donald-trump-paul-manafort-michael-cohen-tony-soprano

[Peter Pedant]

// Krom, I’m getting sick of cynical aspersions too…//

yeah count me in on the ban cynical aspersions too

those pitchforks in full flow - have they just had corks put on the prongs ? wow

[naomi24]

Careful PP - at this rate you'll be adding yourself to your list of deep thinkers. ;o)

[Zacs-Master]

Yeah, like the deep thinkers who, upon realising they've reached a dead end line with their argument resort to writing '.....righto'.

[naomi24]

You're right Zacs, I have reached the end of the line with this one. Jim's agenda speaks for itself.

[jim360]

I'm reporting on what Trump's 10-year-long lawyer has said about Trump in a court of law, by providing links to Trump's tweets, Trump's voltes-faces. That's not an agenda.

[Peter Pedant]

Trump tweeting in support for Manafort -
who is now a convicted crim ....

He can pardon him, but battle lines are being drawn over that one.

and just in case this is called unparalleled - it was played out in the sixties
Harold wilson' s crony Gannex - do time for fraud - Kagan,
and I think also Wilson said that the Clay Cross coucillors would be indemnified by a Labour govt if they got in ( they did ) and the Labo9ur attorney general resigne on a point of principle
( sam Silkin )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Cross

[Peter Pedant]

yes or no
Jim
I enjoy reading your posts ... no skimming there I can tell you. erm er righto!

( any joy on the solutions manual for Cutland?)

[douglas9401]

Tony Soprano and Richard Nixon had at least some redeeming features.

The Donald is just a suppurating open sore with money and now, some power.

[Kromovaracun]

Trump is now praising Paul Manafort for not accepting a deal with federal prosecutors - i.e. the system of which he is supposed to be the chief executive.

This is extraordinary. We have a President openly denying that Cohen's crimes are crimes, and praising someone guilty of tax evasion and fraud for not co-operating with the authorities. I can't think of any better indication of where Trump's priorities actually are.

"Trump First - America Second."

[Zacs-Master]

R4 piece at 5pm reckoned Trump trying to say that Cohen hadn’t committed a crime was an unsubtle defence of himself and indicated he’s a worried man.

[Theland]

As I understand it, Cohen went for a plea bargain. Not been found GUILTY of any crime.
No election law been broken as no campaign funds used inappropriately. Just my thoughts.

[jim360]

Well a plea bargain is where he pleads guilty, so although he never had a trial he accepted that he was guilty, and he accepted that he'd committed a crime.

So, I guess you might have to have second thoughts.

On a more personal note, though, welcome back.

[Zacs-Master]

Do you think he’d have gone for a plea bargain if he were innocent?

[Kromovaracun]

Cohen has pleaded guilty to breaking election spending rules at the behest of "the candidate", Theland.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/21/640544009/donald-trumps-longtime-attorney-michael-cohen-reaches-plea-deal-with-feds?t=1534963695694

Paul Manafort, meanwhile, did not plead guilty but has been convicted of tax evasion, fraud, and various other things. He has - after his conviction - been praised for not seeking a deal by the President. I.e. for not cooperating with the system that Mr. Trump is actually responsible for enforcing.

[jim360]

That doesn't quite work, to be fair, ZM -- sometimes plea bargains are taken by people for fear that the trial will go against them and they don't have the energy or the resources to have a proper trial. In this case, for example, Cohen if found guilty after a full trial could have faced up to 65 years in jail -- for some, that's an unacceptable risk and they'd rather have a short time in prison now.

This doesn't apply to Cohen, though, who will more than have the resources, and the know-how, to fight the case if he believed himself to be innocent, but as a general point plea bargains aren't necessarily a guarantee of guilty.

[Jackdaw33]

I was a young man at the time of Watergate. Nixon was cruising to victory ( he won 49/50 states). There was absolutely no need to do the dirty on the Democrats; they were heading for a crushing defeat.

[Spicerack]

///sometimes plea bargains are taken by people for fear that the trial will go against them///
And seeing the US government 'win' 97% of the cases that go to trial, there's a fair chance of that happening.

[-Talbot-]

Why are some posters on here pretending they have been objective re Trump?
You have wanted him to fail from day one. (no need to mention names...you know who you are)

[ichkeria]

Incorrect : certainly in my case. I take as I find and I’ve found Trump constantly to be a revoltingly self centred racist fraudulent humbug utterly out of his depth in his role of president. The reason I think that is, as I say, because of what I see with my own eyes. Trump do good : I like. Trump no do good: I don’t like. Simples :-)

[-Talbot-]

Incorrect : certainly in my case. I take as I find and I’ve found Trump constantly to be a revoltingly self centred racist fraudulent humbug utterly out of his depth in his role of president.


So you were prepared to give him a chance then, ich?