Tuc Wades In

[cassa333]

For another referendum... but not on leaving just on the terms Oh yeah I bet not.

As usual people are being convinced it isn’t about stay or leave it’s about the terms. That’s OK then the question would be.. do you accept the terms under which the EU have agreed: YES - NO

There is a trueism somewhere that is somwthing along the lines of ‘say something often enough and it will become true.... even if it isn’t’ and ‘the gullible believe what they want to not what is right and history sees what happens’ or something like that.

Useful idiots of the loosing elite.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45464115

[woofgang]

TUC leader Frances O'Grady said that unless the government struck "the deal that working people need" with the EU, she would demand a "popular vote".
"It's only right that people should get a say," she told the BBC.

whuch century is she from?

[gulliver1]

This is a Yes No , Stay or Leave, referendum they are calling for , and a second referendum seems to be getting more likely by the day.

[woofgang]

from what she said in the article Gulliver, the referendum she was after was about the terms of the deal and not a stay or leave one.....the stay or leave one has been done.

[New Judge]

I won’t prattle on because it’s all been done.

But if, as I suspect, this is really about a re-run of the referendum, the TUC is doing its ever diminishing number of members no favours. The majority of working class areas in the country (i.e. the areas where there is likely to be a larger number of Trades Union members) voted to leave. They did so for a number of reasons but among them was almost certainly the fact that uncontrolled migration from the EU has seen the depression of living standards amongst lower skilled workers. The TUC should remember this.

As well as that, the only reason I can see for people asking for a second vote (other than the fact they were dissatisfied with the result of the first) is that Brexit is appearing “too difficult” and may cause a bit of inconvenience. As I’ve said before, that is not a basis on which to make a decision. The Americans (in the words of President Kennedy) did not strive to get to the moon because it was easy. Along the way the suffered tragedy (most notably the death, in a launchpad fire, of three astronauts who were to be the crew of Apollo 1. Nothing could demonstrate the difficulty of their task more than that but they pressed on because the aim was achievable and worthwhile.

People did not vote for a deal, good or bad. They voted to leave.

[gulliver1]

Yes but the stay or leave one has to be done again, without being rigged this time.

[mushroom25]

//without being rigged this time. //

do you have incontrovertible evidence that the referendum was rigged? can you show it to us please?

[gulliver1]

Sod the Americans N/j .their problem is Trump , ours is Brexit.

[Old_Geezer]

There clearly will not be any stay or leave referendum. Few would be so foolish not to realise the harm done to the country if shown unable to follow through on vital decisions. The image of our nation would drop so low as to ensure everyone would try it on in any deal or arrangement thereafter.

An accept or just get out vote might occur but one hopes the government has more sense than to allow it. But given May's past record as PM I'd not put it beyond her. We'll be spending years trying to modify or get out of any agreement she makes anyway.

[Zacs-Master]

Slowly sinking in what the implications could be now, isn’t it. How many people in the unions voted leave I wonder? It was all a nice protest vote against the establishment wasn’t it but now the prospect of job losses looms, it’s all becoming a bit real.

[gulliver1]

May and the Cons are noted for U Turns ,when they get desperate.

[youngmafbog]

Usual unsubstantiated nonces from ZM, as usual.

[New Judge]

"Slowly sinking in what the implications could be now, isn’t it."

I think the implications were clear to most people before they voted, Zacs (the government of the day certainly did its best to put them forward in as frightening manner as possible). What wasn't clear is the incredible lengths the government of today is going to to avoid a meaningful Brexit.

[youngmafbog]

ZM has been told this many times by leavers but it doesn't seem to sink into his skull.

[dannyk13]

He is not alone.

[Zacs-Master]

I must admit the wrangling and wilful lack of progress which the Conservatives have demonstrated has surpassed even my educated expectations of a Pro EU government. But that’s not what we’re discussing.

And there are no ‘nonces’ around here, unsubstantiated or otherwise!