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Racist Beeps At Black Lady
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Careful who you beep at. Bet the garage CCTV is 'interesting'.
Careful who you beep at. Bet the garage CCTV is 'interesting'.
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// If the black woman who got "beeped" at found it racist / offensive, then it was exactly that. // Spath appears to be saying something ridiculous here, and indeed he is, but in actual fact he's just stating the position of the law. The police are obliged to investigate any incident that the accuser defines as being racist. "He looked at me in a way I interpret as...
13:21 Mon 05th Nov 2018
andy-hughes
/// You wear green every day, your car has a tricolour flying from your radio arial, you have red hair and green eyes, and you don't walk down the street, you dance in a cod-Flatley style. You really should be prefacing every post with 'To be sure ... ' to avoid confusion. ///
Isn't it so refreshing when one can have a little fun stereotyping certain nationalities without fear of racist name calling?
Yet one is not allowed the same freedom where certain non white ethnic groups are concerned.
But to get back on track, just a waste of police resources when they should be addressing the drive by shootings and daily stabbings, now those are real hate crimes.
/// You wear green every day, your car has a tricolour flying from your radio arial, you have red hair and green eyes, and you don't walk down the street, you dance in a cod-Flatley style. You really should be prefacing every post with 'To be sure ... ' to avoid confusion. ///
Isn't it so refreshing when one can have a little fun stereotyping certain nationalities without fear of racist name calling?
Yet one is not allowed the same freedom where certain non white ethnic groups are concerned.
But to get back on track, just a waste of police resources when they should be addressing the drive by shootings and daily stabbings, now those are real hate crimes.
Gness;
Q: “How many people have to be offended before it becomes a racist 'act'?”
A: One.
Recommendation 12 (of 70) of the report into the death of Stephen Lawrence:
DEFINITION OF RACIST INCIDENT
12. That the definition should be: "A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person".
That recommendation was accepted and has been implemented. So, if the lady who took umbrage on the tube believed she witnessed a racist incident, it was a racist incident.
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Q: “How many people have to be offended before it becomes a racist 'act'?”
A: One.
Recommendation 12 (of 70) of the report into the death of Stephen Lawrence:
DEFINITION OF RACIST INCIDENT
12. That the definition should be: "A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person".
That recommendation was accepted and has been implemented. So, if the lady who took umbrage on the tube believed she witnessed a racist incident, it was a racist incident.
From; https:/
I wish this had been around when I rode my motor bike.....waist length red hair and no crash helmet...yes, okay, was long ago....
Cars would sometimes start to overtake with someone shouting as they often did to long haired lads in the 60s......
Get yer hair cut!!!.......then saw my face.....I'd blow a kiss..... :-)
Cars would sometimes start to overtake with someone shouting as they often did to long haired lads in the 60s......
Get yer hair cut!!!.......then saw my face.....I'd blow a kiss..... :-)
"12. That the definition should be: "A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person"."
That is barmy. It means that any idiot (and blimey, no-one who spends time round here could doubt their numbers) can just make things up, and it becomes The Law.
Daft, and doesn't help the fight against racism one iota!
That is barmy. It means that any idiot (and blimey, no-one who spends time round here could doubt their numbers) can just make things up, and it becomes The Law.
Daft, and doesn't help the fight against racism one iota!
AOG - // Isn't it so refreshing when one can have a little fun stereotyping certain nationalities without fear of racist name calling?
Yet one is not allowed the same freedom where certain non white ethnic groups are concerned. //
I wouldn't know - I was having a little banter with my friend Gness who I know has a robust sense of humour, and would take my teasing in the spirit in which it was offered.
I don't stereotype any nationalities, so I am unaffected by any problems anyone may encounter doing that to 'certain non white ethnic groups' as you put it.
Yet one is not allowed the same freedom where certain non white ethnic groups are concerned. //
I wouldn't know - I was having a little banter with my friend Gness who I know has a robust sense of humour, and would take my teasing in the spirit in which it was offered.
I don't stereotype any nationalities, so I am unaffected by any problems anyone may encounter doing that to 'certain non white ethnic groups' as you put it.
andy-hughes
/// I don't stereotype any nationalities, ///
Obviously not:
/// You wear green every day, your car has a tricolour flying from your radio arial, you have red hair and green eyes, and you don't walk down the street, you dance in a cod-Flatley style. You really should be prefacing every post with 'To be sure ... ' to avoid confusion. ///
/// I don't stereotype any nationalities, ///
Obviously not:
/// You wear green every day, your car has a tricolour flying from your radio arial, you have red hair and green eyes, and you don't walk down the street, you dance in a cod-Flatley style. You really should be prefacing every post with 'To be sure ... ' to avoid confusion. ///
AOG - // ummmm
/// He was joking, AOG! ///
Bernard Manning and Jim Davison earned their living by joking and look what happened to them. //
One joke posted on an internet site, aimed at someone who will understand the sarcasm involved, and two men who made money out of racism and sexism … yep, that's a valid comparison!!
/// He was joking, AOG! ///
Bernard Manning and Jim Davison earned their living by joking and look what happened to them. //
One joke posted on an internet site, aimed at someone who will understand the sarcasm involved, and two men who made money out of racism and sexism … yep, that's a valid comparison!!
// "A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person". //
This is the problem, and I'm amazed it's written into law, because it's effectively saying you can be guilty of something simply because someone else thinks you might be.
Not just guilty until proven innocent, but actually guilty of something. It's unbelievable really.
This is the problem, and I'm amazed it's written into law, because it's effectively saying you can be guilty of something simply because someone else thinks you might be.
Not just guilty until proven innocent, but actually guilty of something. It's unbelievable really.
"That is barmy. It means that any idiot (and blimey, no-one who spends time round here could doubt their numbers) can just make things up, and it becomes The Law."
Just to be clear, it isn't "The Law". The recommendation which spathi dug out from my answer to another question was from the McPherson report into the death of Stephen Lawrence. That report majored on the behaviour of the Metropolitan Police and the recommendations were mainly to do with police practice. The recommendation (which has now been adopted nationwide) is to provide a clear definition of a "racist incident" when such matters are reported to the police. So this "beeping" incident will be recorded as a racist incident because the lady perceived it to be so.
Whether any prosecutions result and what they might be (and whether they are "racially aggravated" or not) is an entirely different matter. The police, the CPS and the courts have a clear understanding what the legislation and case law says about racially aggravated offences and a prosecution (let a lone a successful one) requires more than the opinion of "the victim or any other person".
I have my own views on that definition which I have expressed many times before on AB but that is for another day.
Just to be clear, it isn't "The Law". The recommendation which spathi dug out from my answer to another question was from the McPherson report into the death of Stephen Lawrence. That report majored on the behaviour of the Metropolitan Police and the recommendations were mainly to do with police practice. The recommendation (which has now been adopted nationwide) is to provide a clear definition of a "racist incident" when such matters are reported to the police. So this "beeping" incident will be recorded as a racist incident because the lady perceived it to be so.
Whether any prosecutions result and what they might be (and whether they are "racially aggravated" or not) is an entirely different matter. The police, the CPS and the courts have a clear understanding what the legislation and case law says about racially aggravated offences and a prosecution (let a lone a successful one) requires more than the opinion of "the victim or any other person".
I have my own views on that definition which I have expressed many times before on AB but that is for another day.
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