As Good As It Gets, Surely Not

[emmie]

are we to hear it's all a fudge and that we remain tied to the EU, will the Brexiteers and some remainers be happy when the Prime Minister unveils the plans later on this afternoon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46203425

[jim360]

I don't think anyone will be happy. Remainers wanted to stay in the EU and therefore keep at least some measure of influence, rather than the none we seem destined to end up with; Brexiteers wanted to leave altogether, and apparently still haven't cottoned on to the basic fact, that was always true, that this was impossible.

[emmie]

could it really lead to a breakup of the UK, as the DUP suggest, i would hope not. Perhaps no deal at all is a better way than a total fudge.

[emmie]

why is it impossible to leave..

[jim360]

No deal probably hastens that break-up, if anything -- certainly, it would wreck the Northern Irish economy, and the Scots would be fairly cheesed off as well.

[ToraToraTora]

Treason May has managed to find a "deal" that neither remainers nor leavers will go for. This is what happens when you ask someone to do something they do not agree with. May is a remainer, she would naturally tend to the side of BRINO. This must be rejected, we must dump May and elect a brexiteer party leader and brexit. If necessary with no deal at all.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: " that this was impossible." - why impossible? A50 allows for it.

[jim360]

Well, perhaps "impossible" is an exaggeration, but what Brexiteers certainly missed is that you needed to work out how to achieve leaving before voting for it. Stands to reason that one is better off planning a journey before setting off on it.

[emmie]

what if Jim is correct and that this would lead to a breakup of the UK, surely no one wants that.

[emmie]

jim indeed, but all i can see is Mrs May having a total fight on her hands, with a deal that no one will want, accept.

[Jackdaw33]

I agree. I can't see this getting through parliament unless Labour back it. May is a disgrace, she might as well give the keys to No.10 to Corbyn now.

[ToraToraTora]

why cant we just wait for 30/3 then we are out, tada! £39bn better off for a start. UK/EU would then quickly fix what needs fixing and we'd continue. All this Remoaner posturing is the problem.

[jim360]

Also, it's certainly "impossible" to deconstruct and then replace over 40 years' worth of integration in a handful of months, especially if you hadn't worked out what to replace it with. It was rushed through, and the mess we appear to be stuck with is a result of that rushing.

[jim360]

Since crashing out on "no deal" would lead to an inevitable recession, I'm fairly confident that £39bn saving would disappear pretty quickly.

In any case, it's not over yet. The deal may not be so bad as it's painted, or perhaps Parliament will blink after all and find a way out of this mess, be it delaying exit day or some other solution.

[emmie]

we have an unpopular leader with a very unpopular mandate, she can't make all the people happy, some perhaps, but can see that Parliament rejects the forthcoming package.

[emmie]

we haven't had a handful of months, but two years to sort this out, and if today it goes against the PM what then?

[ToraToraTora]

if they vote it down we leave with no deal, great, end of. Then it will get sensible as both sides need to sort things with out political BS. So I hope they vote it down.

[emmie]

so a no deal in your opinion TTT is a better option..
won't this impact on business in the longer term. The uncertainty of no deal hanging in the air.

[ToraToraTora]

emmie, yes, it will sort itself out. what we have now is politicians puffing out their chests mostly because they did not get their own way. No deal will force the issue both sides will have to resolve things quickly, necessity is the mother of invention, business will be shoving from the wings. In the end No deal will get us what the majority voted for in 2016.

[ToraToraTora]

the PM said some time ago no deal is better than a bad deal. She is now proposing a disastrous deal.

[emmie]

TTT personally i hope you are correct.