What Will Writing To The Public Achieve?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46332884
we can't do owt it's in the hands of MPs

[vetuste_ennemi]

Surprised you didn't know my opinion on Brexit, TTT. I obviously haven't posted enough, or with sufficient clarity on the topic.

[ToraToraTora]

mushroom: "maybe that's the idea she's propagating - maydeal or stay.... " - yes this could be an elaborate ruse from the remoaners to trick us into staying.

[ToraToraTora]

VE apologies I sometimes forget who is remain/leave.

[jim360]

True, with the people who matter May is terribly unpopular, but also quite useful to keep in office because then it becomes all her fault etc etc. But maybe the public would rather Brexit happened in any form and we can move on. Who's right? May or the AB community? I guess that's what this letter is hoping to find out, and if the public can pressure MPs enough then maybe they will vote for the deal after all.

[jim360]

"this could be an elaborate ruse from the remoaners to trick us into staying."

Wish she'd told me that earlier...

Jesus H Christ, you and your conspiracies... One need only look at what Raab, Davis, Johnson et al have said to see how nonsensical that theory is.

[mushroom25]

//to see how nonsensical that theory is. //

…...or is it? what we are led to believe is the cream of uk politics have procrastinated for 20 months then completely *** it all up at the last minute. are we to believe that those we've entrusted with making decisions on our behalf (democracy, right?) are so completely, utterly, totally inept? for if not conspiracy, that's the only answer.....

[Jackdaw33]

Is this woman for real? Does she imagine that we are going to write in swarms to urge our MPs to accept the deal?

[Marshwarble]

It did seems that Answerbank were full of united leavers. But the current deal seems to have changed all that.

[dannyk13]

On the news earlier today- both the Eu and the UK are making plans in preparation for a possible 'no deal'.

[jim360]

I'm comfortable believing that our elected representatives are incompetent as opposed to duplicitous.

[dannyk13]

Juncker just announced that if the deal is rejected by parliament there will be no chance of getting a better deal.

[mushroom25]

//there will be no chance of getting a better deal. //

in the event there's a GE and JC maintains his "vote for me and I'll get you a better deal" stance, would that be porkies being told to the electorate?

[jim360]

In practical terms there's little chance of any major improvements being implemented in the time available, even if there *were* the will from EU officials.

[jim360]

// in the event there's a GE and JC maintains his "vote for me and I'll get you a better deal" stance, would that be porkies being told to the electorate? //

Yes.

[ToraToraTora]

jim, nonsensical? well the remainers have moved heaven and earth to try and thwart the will of the people so I wouldn't put it past them.

[jim360]

That may be true, but up to now they've not had much luck. I mean, again, let me remind you: Theresa May signed Notification under Article 50; she need not have; and Theresa May introduced and insisted on Brexit Day being specified as March 29, 2019; she need not have. Those aren't inconsequential. Remainers were screaming for neither of these things to happen, and she did them anyway. It's also not at all irrelevant that there have been at most five victories for Remainers in the Commons, and all of those were minor. Everything major Brexit-related has gone through unamended.

I mean, I'm sorry, but it really is nonsensical, because it ignores recent history. If I had been a Remainer truly trying to thwart the will of the people I'd like to think I'd be doing a much better job of it than this crap.

[vetuste_ennemi]

May has a strong moral character. That's personal courage and tenacity. Let's face it, a weaker person would long since have resigned or had a nervous break-down.

When May became PM and announced "Brexir means Brexit" blah blah blah, I liked it. And for this reason. I think she was seeing herself as Thatcher, strong woman, standing up to... despite the odds...

Thatcher was probably thinking of herself as Churchill. The difference is that Churchill understood immediately the nature of Hitler, whereas Thatcher took some tto work out the nature of the EU or whatever it was called then and people like Schmidt.

But there all similarity ends, because May unlike Churchill and Thatcher doesn't have an ethos. There are no core moral principles. Abundantly proved by her "deal".

I know why I voted Leave. And it had nothing to do with calculations about my future wealth: I didn't want people like Jean-Claude Juncker dictating to me. If in an independent nation I end up with Jeremy Corbyn in control for five years, so be it. We can get rid of him, can't we?

I hope most of my fellow Leavers voted for those same (in my view honourable) reasons.

[naomi24]

Jim, //Theresa May signed Notification under Article 50; she need not have//

You said that yesterday on another thread. You know the history. How could she have avoided it – and retained a political career?

[mushroom25]

//If I had been a Remainer truly trying to thwart the will of the people I'd like to think I'd be doing a much better job of it than this crap. //

yes, but then their fingerprints would be incontrovertibly all over it....

[vetuste_ennemi]

//I'm comfortable believing that our elected representatives are incompetent as opposed to duplicitous//

I'd prefer to say incompetent rather than conspiratorial.