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What Can Be Done About Climate Change
is it a natural occurrence, after all the climate has changed over billions of years - is this really what we will come to.
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Kromo; //It's hard to do anything that's carbon-
11:15 Tue 04th Dec 2018
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That's you (and me) told, togo, lol.
That's you (and me) told, togo, lol.
IJKLM- Togo
' Lawson knows nothing, but the BBC gives his views validity by allowing him to make his assertions'
That's disgraceful, you might be subjected to a different point of view before you reach the Off switch.
'Your opinions, like those of Nigel Lawson and Donald Trump, are completely and entirely in opposition to demonstrated facts.'
I suspect that, like most open minded people, they listened to your 'demonstrated facts' and then listened to alternative facts from Nobel winning scientists, scientists who aren't making a living from Global Warming, scientists who don't have to worry about losing their tuppenny ha'penny research jobs.
And went with the latter.
'I have nothing more to say to you.'
I believe the expression is 'End of'.
' Lawson knows nothing, but the BBC gives his views validity by allowing him to make his assertions'
That's disgraceful, you might be subjected to a different point of view before you reach the Off switch.
'Your opinions, like those of Nigel Lawson and Donald Trump, are completely and entirely in opposition to demonstrated facts.'
I suspect that, like most open minded people, they listened to your 'demonstrated facts' and then listened to alternative facts from Nobel winning scientists, scientists who aren't making a living from Global Warming, scientists who don't have to worry about losing their tuppenny ha'penny research jobs.
And went with the latter.
'I have nothing more to say to you.'
I believe the expression is 'End of'.
Again, I remain curious why this fixation on the financial motivations *only* of Climate Scientists, as if there couldn't possibly be the inverse problem of, say, multi-billion dollar oil companies wishing to keep themselves in business by killing off any question of their environmental damage.
Since, historically, that's been a far more common feature (for example, the story of the efforts to ban leaded petrol is the story of oil companies throwing money to shut the scientists up, and *not* the other way round), it smacks rather of desperation to rely on that tactic.
But, in the end, it's hardly a worthwhile point to make. Scientists can be bribed as much as you like, but the resulting science is right or wrong on its own merits.
Since, historically, that's been a far more common feature (for example, the story of the efforts to ban leaded petrol is the story of oil companies throwing money to shut the scientists up, and *not* the other way round), it smacks rather of desperation to rely on that tactic.
But, in the end, it's hardly a worthwhile point to make. Scientists can be bribed as much as you like, but the resulting science is right or wrong on its own merits.
Spicerack
You are welcome to believe that the moon is made of green cheese and the earth is flat as well as denying climate change. It’s your privilege.
"Nobel-prize-winning scientists" - name them, and link to their research papers that confirm your statements - or accept that other people will ridicule your vapid assertions
I don’t mean link to politically-charged websites that twist words and spread false news. I mean link to a research paper that confirms your assertion.
You won’t be able to, because such things don’t exist.
You have been suckered by the lies out there on the internet that spread false news in the hope of entrapping the unwary and the quick to react, as part of their own political agendas.
Good luck to you, when the sea-levels rise due to polar ice melt (It’s happening as we speak).
Good luck to you when the permafrost in Siberia releases so much methane that the climate changes permanently (That's happening too).
Good luck to you when the warming oceans drive tropical storms of such power that coastal cities are destroyed (Remember New Orleans?)
Good luck to you when high temperatures and lack of rain cause forest fires in California and droughts in Australia.
Good luck to you when the North Atlantic Gyre halts, due to lack of polar ice and the climate in the UK changes from mild and wet to arctic temperatures and ice storms.
Good luck to all of us. We’re going to need it.
You are welcome to believe that the moon is made of green cheese and the earth is flat as well as denying climate change. It’s your privilege.
"Nobel-prize-winning scientists" - name them, and link to their research papers that confirm your statements - or accept that other people will ridicule your vapid assertions
I don’t mean link to politically-charged websites that twist words and spread false news. I mean link to a research paper that confirms your assertion.
You won’t be able to, because such things don’t exist.
You have been suckered by the lies out there on the internet that spread false news in the hope of entrapping the unwary and the quick to react, as part of their own political agendas.
Good luck to you, when the sea-levels rise due to polar ice melt (It’s happening as we speak).
Good luck to you when the permafrost in Siberia releases so much methane that the climate changes permanently (That's happening too).
Good luck to you when the warming oceans drive tropical storms of such power that coastal cities are destroyed (Remember New Orleans?)
Good luck to you when high temperatures and lack of rain cause forest fires in California and droughts in Australia.
Good luck to you when the North Atlantic Gyre halts, due to lack of polar ice and the climate in the UK changes from mild and wet to arctic temperatures and ice storms.
Good luck to all of us. We’re going to need it.
//Your questins demonstrate how little you understand numbers. //sic
More conceited self regard, and narcissistic aggression being demonstrated to again defend errant nonsense. ( with precious little understanding of basic spelling mind)
//To put that data into perspective, I gave the output per capita to show that China emits slightly more per head than the UK, but a lot less (per head) than the US.//
You gave no such indication in your original series of links. Links that included "data" that is under scrutiny, and in some cases already proven to be deliberately misleading.
//You offer no suggestions as to why NASA or the UNion of Cncened Scientists might want to present false data.// sic
I wasn't asked for a reason. But how about the need for the tax revenues purloined from the people of the World to keep them in the style and comfort they have become accustomed to...…..and greed.
//Of curse, you are entitled to your opinion. The fact that your opinions are based on fantasies and an over-active imagination does not make them anything by wrong.// sic
My opinions are based on debunking the obvious lies and hysteria generated by the misguided, at best, and the deliberate lies of agenda driven pseudo science, at worst.
// I have nothing more to say to you. //
No Comment. :))
More conceited self regard, and narcissistic aggression being demonstrated to again defend errant nonsense. ( with precious little understanding of basic spelling mind)
//To put that data into perspective, I gave the output per capita to show that China emits slightly more per head than the UK, but a lot less (per head) than the US.//
You gave no such indication in your original series of links. Links that included "data" that is under scrutiny, and in some cases already proven to be deliberately misleading.
//You offer no suggestions as to why NASA or the UNion of Cncened Scientists might want to present false data.// sic
I wasn't asked for a reason. But how about the need for the tax revenues purloined from the people of the World to keep them in the style and comfort they have become accustomed to...…..and greed.
//Of curse, you are entitled to your opinion. The fact that your opinions are based on fantasies and an over-active imagination does not make them anything by wrong.// sic
My opinions are based on debunking the obvious lies and hysteria generated by the misguided, at best, and the deliberate lies of agenda driven pseudo science, at worst.
// I have nothing more to say to you. //
No Comment. :))
It would be easier to take your criticisms seriously if they weren't so obviously "agenda-driven" yourself -- not to mention riddled with misconceptions and irrelevant side-issues.
Having said that, if we were to start this conversation all over again, Togo, would you have the patience and wherewithal to evaluate your own sources objectively, and those that disagree with you likewise?
Having said that, if we were to start this conversation all over again, Togo, would you have the patience and wherewithal to evaluate your own sources objectively, and those that disagree with you likewise?
The answer to that question depends greatly on how seriously you take the view that human activity is contributing to it. As it is, then the answer to what we can do is related mainly to changing our practices. Some of those practices are uncontroversial, or at least should be; deforestation, for example, is devastating for its own sake even before you consider its impact on the climate.
On the subject of deforestation, Brazil's new president is very much a climate change sceptic. It should therefore hardly be surprising that he's very enthusiastic about removing protections that were in place on the Amazon rainforest, so that he can harvest his resources.
I mean, how much more agenda-driven can you get?
I mean, how much more agenda-driven can you get?
Mr Em, a no mean scientist in his own way, said years ago that we would see wetter winters, milder than is usual and that has more or less come true. apart from the beast from the east, when did we have a truly cold winter, and our summer this year was off the charts, so climate is changing, but its how with deal with it i guess that's what matters.
"Penn State climate scientist, Michael ‘hockey stick’ Mann commits contempt of court in the ‘climate science trial of the century.’ Prominent alarmist shockingly defies judge and refuses to surrender data for open court examination. Only possible outcome: Mann’s humiliation, defeat and likely criminal investigation in the U.S.
The defendant in the libel trial, the 79-year-old Canadian climatologist, Dr Tim Ball (above, right) is expected to instruct his British Columbia attorneys to trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions, including a ruling that Mann did act with criminal intent when using public funds to commit climate data fraud. Mann’s imminent defeat is set to send shock waves worldwide within the climate science community as the outcome will be both a legal and scientific vindication of U.S. President Donald Trump’s claims that climate scare stories are a “hoax.”
As can be seen from the graphs below; Mann’s cherry-picked version of science makes the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) disappear and shows a pronounced upward ‘tick’ in the late 20th century (the blade of his ‘hockey stick’). But below that, Ball’s graph, using more reliable and widely available public data, shows a much warmer MWP, with temperatures hotter than today, and showing current temperatures well within natural variation."
""A bitter and embarrassing defeat for the self-styled ‘Nobel Prize winner’ who acted as if he was the epitome of virtue, this outcome shames not only Michael Mann, but puts the climate science community in crisis. Many hundreds of peer-reviewed papers cite Mann’s work, which is now effectively junked. Despite having deep-pocketed backers willing and able to feed his ego as a publicity-seeking mouthpiece against skeptics, Mann’s credibility as a champion of environmentalism is in tatters.
But it gets worse for the litigious Penn State professor. Close behind Dr Ball is celebrated writer Mark Steyn. Steyn also defends himself against another one of Mann’s SLAPP suits – this time in Washington DC. Steyn boldly claims Mann “has perverted the norms of science on an industrial scale.” Esteemed American climate scientist, Dr Judith Curry, has submitted to the court an Amicus Curiae legal brief exposing Mann. The world can now see that his six-year legal gambit to silence his most effective critics and chill scientific debate has spectacularly backfired.""
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The defendant in the libel trial, the 79-year-old Canadian climatologist, Dr Tim Ball (above, right) is expected to instruct his British Columbia attorneys to trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions, including a ruling that Mann did act with criminal intent when using public funds to commit climate data fraud. Mann’s imminent defeat is set to send shock waves worldwide within the climate science community as the outcome will be both a legal and scientific vindication of U.S. President Donald Trump’s claims that climate scare stories are a “hoax.”
As can be seen from the graphs below; Mann’s cherry-picked version of science makes the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) disappear and shows a pronounced upward ‘tick’ in the late 20th century (the blade of his ‘hockey stick’). But below that, Ball’s graph, using more reliable and widely available public data, shows a much warmer MWP, with temperatures hotter than today, and showing current temperatures well within natural variation."
""A bitter and embarrassing defeat for the self-styled ‘Nobel Prize winner’ who acted as if he was the epitome of virtue, this outcome shames not only Michael Mann, but puts the climate science community in crisis. Many hundreds of peer-reviewed papers cite Mann’s work, which is now effectively junked. Despite having deep-pocketed backers willing and able to feed his ego as a publicity-seeking mouthpiece against skeptics, Mann’s credibility as a champion of environmentalism is in tatters.
But it gets worse for the litigious Penn State professor. Close behind Dr Ball is celebrated writer Mark Steyn. Steyn also defends himself against another one of Mann’s SLAPP suits – this time in Washington DC. Steyn boldly claims Mann “has perverted the norms of science on an industrial scale.” Esteemed American climate scientist, Dr Judith Curry, has submitted to the court an Amicus Curiae legal brief exposing Mann. The world can now see that his six-year legal gambit to silence his most effective critics and chill scientific debate has spectacularly backfired.""
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//Carr and 809 scientists and academics from the Union of Concerned Scientists signed a petition defending Mann’s stubborn secrecy. These academic apologists for climate fraud SUPPORT public policy being formed on the whim of unaccountable secret science.
It seems it needed a ‘denier’ like Dr Tim Ball to seek courtroom justice and compel rightful access to Mikey’s secret science – science funded by taxpayers and upon which trillion-dollar climate policies are premised.//
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It seems it needed a ‘denier’ like Dr Tim Ball to seek courtroom justice and compel rightful access to Mikey’s secret science – science funded by taxpayers and upon which trillion-dollar climate policies are premised.//
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NASA? Melting Ice Cap? Rising sea levels?
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Perhaps we need a bit more CO2 in the atmosphere?
""Scientists claim we are in for a decade-long freeze as the sun slows down solar activity by up to 60 per cent.
A team of European researchers have unveiled a scientific model showing that the Earth is likely to experience a “mini ice age” from 2030 to 2040 as a result of decreased solar activity.
Their findings will infuriate environmental campaigners who argue by 2030 we could be facing increased sea levels and flooding due to glacial melt at the poles.
However, at the National Astronomy Meeting in Wales, Northumbria University professor Valentina Zharkova said fluctuations an 11-year cycle of solar activity the sun goes through would be responsible for a freeze, the like of which has not been experienced since the 1600s.
From 1645 to 1715 global temperatures dropped due to low solar activity so much that the planet experienced a 70-year ice age known as Maunder Minimum which saw the River Thames in London completely frozen.""
It is already so cold that they are burning cars in the streets to keep warm in France.
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""Scientists claim we are in for a decade-long freeze as the sun slows down solar activity by up to 60 per cent.
A team of European researchers have unveiled a scientific model showing that the Earth is likely to experience a “mini ice age” from 2030 to 2040 as a result of decreased solar activity.
Their findings will infuriate environmental campaigners who argue by 2030 we could be facing increased sea levels and flooding due to glacial melt at the poles.
However, at the National Astronomy Meeting in Wales, Northumbria University professor Valentina Zharkova said fluctuations an 11-year cycle of solar activity the sun goes through would be responsible for a freeze, the like of which has not been experienced since the 1600s.
From 1645 to 1715 global temperatures dropped due to low solar activity so much that the planet experienced a 70-year ice age known as Maunder Minimum which saw the River Thames in London completely frozen.""
It is already so cold that they are burning cars in the streets to keep warm in France.
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Apparently, the answer to my request is "no", then -- you're still just screaming about political agendas using somewhat biased sources yourself.
Again, let me offer the question: would you be happy to take a leading *scientific paper* (rather than a representation of it on some internet site), and discuss the scientific merits of that paper?
Again, let me offer the question: would you be happy to take a leading *scientific paper* (rather than a representation of it on some internet site), and discuss the scientific merits of that paper?
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