Nige Quits Ukip

[Jackdaw33]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46448299

[ChillDoubt]

In regards to Brexit negotiations with the EU he’s the closest thing to a Thatcher that we so badly needed.
Shame he was never a part of the Brexit strategy team.

[jim360]

Nigel has always been shouting from the sidelines and never actually actively involved. I rather think he prefers it that way.

[naomi24]

ChillDoubt, I agree - but they couldn't have had him as part of the negotiating team because we'd have been out - and that was never the plan!

[Jackdaw33]

I would hardly call it shouting from the sidelines as he led the Brexit campaign from the front, with considerable success.

[naomi24]

Quite right, jackdaw.

[ichkeria]

The Brexit campaign owes its success to Dominic Cummings: an evil genius if ever there was one.
I rather think Nigel isn’t the only leading Brexiter preferring to shout from the sidelines without getting actively involved. It almost seems like a prerequisite.

[Old_Geezer]

Success isn't always measured in terms of 'seats' but can be measured in 'influence'.

[Spicerack]

You'll probably see a lot of him now on the MSM. Slagging off TR and Gerard Batten at every opportunity.
It will backfire spectacularly. (I reckon)

[naomi24]

ichkeria, // I rather think Nigel isn’t the only leading Brexiter preferring to shout from the sidelines without getting actively involved.//

I don't understand this from you and Jim. Given that he isn't an MP and given that he wasn't invited to become instrumental in the Brexit negotiations, how would you have expected him to become actively involved more than he did?

[jim360]

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate, because I think that both of the official leave campaigns were led by other people, but even if it were it still misses the point. Active participation in an electoral campaign doesn't remotely compare to active participation in managing its aftermath.

[naomi24]

Jim, what are you talking about? Where was his opportunity to actively participate in managing the aftermath?

[steg]

//Shame he was never a part of the Brexit strategy team.//

Aye , we would of probably had a second referendum by now

[Jackdaw33]

As far as Remainers are concerned, Farage is the apotheosis of Satan and they have't got a good word to say about him.

[jim360]

As I was posting that your question came up, so I wasn't ignoring it just now.

UKIP has always had the form of a protest party, so, in that sense, even making the choice to join them rather than one of the major parties is a good way of avoiding having to take any real responsibility. The Green Party is somewhat similar in that regard (at least for the time being).

I'll concede that no-one can't be part of a team if they aren't invited to join it, but I suppose my suspicion is that Farage is rather grateful that he was never going to be at the table.

[ChillDoubt]

It still rankles with a few people that Nige is one of the very few politicians in history who set out with a clear and unequivocal objective and achieved exactly what he set out to do.
The fact that he’s still talked about in such regard shows a grudging respect from those in denial.

[jim360]

To address that head-on: the thing about shouting from the sidelines is that you then only influence anything if people are fool enough to listen to you. Farage would never have got his referendum if only *he* had anything to do about it; it required Cameron and others to bow down to his demands, set up the thing, and then run it all so badly that he went and lost it -- and follow that up by instantly running away from dealing with the aftermath.

In that sense, I guess I find Farage's presence in politics frustrating, but Cameron's role in the affair unforgivable.

[naomi24]

Jim, your suspicion is just that – suspicion. Nevertheless your entirely unjustified criticism of him continues unabated. When reading your posts one could so easily swap his name for those of several other controversial characters, none of whom you afford positive recognition of achievement despite that often being warranted. Unbiased objectivity clearly isn’t your forte. When you hate, you sure hate!

[steg]

///It still rankles with a few people that Nige is one of the very few politicians in history who set out with a clear and unequivocal objective and achieved exactly what he set out to do. ///
Aye he was a great mp........ oh no he failed miserably on that one on more than one occasion

[ChillDoubt]

Aye he was a great mp........ oh no he failed miserably on that one on more than one occasion
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Yeah, you’re right.
I guess moving on to become leader of a political party that subsequently delivered 100% on its promise is obviously a sign of abject failure......