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The alternative is to scour the economic analysis for yourself, and to decide what is actually wrong with it. What flaws are there in the various models or projection techniques used, and so on.
Or, even more fundamentally: how can anyone take seriously the claim that 40 years of legal, political and economic integration be so easily removed in a matter of a few weeks without causing serious structural damage to both parties, and with nothing meaningful to replace the previous arrangements?
To claim that No Deal is effectively harmless is almost a contradiction of the purpose of, and rationale behind, Brexit anyway.
Or, even more fundamentally: how can anyone take seriously the claim that 40 years of legal, political and economic integration be so easily removed in a matter of a few weeks without causing serious structural damage to both parties, and with nothing meaningful to replace the previous arrangements?
To claim that No Deal is effectively harmless is almost a contradiction of the purpose of, and rationale behind, Brexit anyway.
" What flaws are there in the various models or projection techniques used, and so on"
The models got the aftemath of the Referendum result wrong. The people using the models got earlier predictions about the ERM and the Euro wrong. (Whose finongers? Whose ears?) Also the number of parameters necessary to predict the behaviour of economic or meteorological systems make modelling difficult.
"how can anyone take seriously the claim that 40 years of legal, political and economic integration be so easily removed in a matter of a few weeks without causing serious structural damage to both parties, and with nothing meaningful to replace the previous arrangements? "
Nobody's claiming such. Damage and disruption yes. (Don't understand "structural" in this context.) But, I guess, your education,as led you to assume that the response to the inevitable problems of a no deal Brexit (e.g. all those shortages) will be passive acquiescence and roll over and die. That may, of course, be true of many millennials and some of your peers, Jim. On the other hand I think there may be many smart opportunists out there who will see an opportunity. The chances of your losing out on your Mars bar, or of diabetics not getting their insulin are remote. That's because peopele with no altruistic motives at all will make a killing (oops!) by providing what the EU has decided not to provide.
"To claim that No Deal is effectively harmless is almost a contradiction of the purpose of, and rationale behind, Brexit anyway.".
Again, no such claim (boring). The purpose of Brexit is to regain national sovereignty not to pick fights with the French or Germans. National sovereignty is not antithetical to friendly relations for trade and all other purposes with our neighbours.
The models got the aftemath of the Referendum result wrong. The people using the models got earlier predictions about the ERM and the Euro wrong. (Whose finongers? Whose ears?) Also the number of parameters necessary to predict the behaviour of economic or meteorological systems make modelling difficult.
"how can anyone take seriously the claim that 40 years of legal, political and economic integration be so easily removed in a matter of a few weeks without causing serious structural damage to both parties, and with nothing meaningful to replace the previous arrangements? "
Nobody's claiming such. Damage and disruption yes. (Don't understand "structural" in this context.) But, I guess, your education,as led you to assume that the response to the inevitable problems of a no deal Brexit (e.g. all those shortages) will be passive acquiescence and roll over and die. That may, of course, be true of many millennials and some of your peers, Jim. On the other hand I think there may be many smart opportunists out there who will see an opportunity. The chances of your losing out on your Mars bar, or of diabetics not getting their insulin are remote. That's because peopele with no altruistic motives at all will make a killing (oops!) by providing what the EU has decided not to provide.
"To claim that No Deal is effectively harmless is almost a contradiction of the purpose of, and rationale behind, Brexit anyway.".
Again, no such claim (boring). The purpose of Brexit is to regain national sovereignty not to pick fights with the French or Germans. National sovereignty is not antithetical to friendly relations for trade and all other purposes with our neighbours.
May has deliberately excluded everybody (including members of her own Government) from being involved in any aspect of the negotiations.
Only when her whole endeavour has been rejected by everyone, and her plans are in tatters and time has run out, is she now telling (not asking) that others are now allowed a say.
Just a ploy by her to try and deflect some blame when the history of this debacle is recorded.
Corbyn is correct to ignore this cynical move. Nothing can be salvaged at this late hour. He like the rest of us are resigned to the UK crashing out, rather than a orderly and controlled withdrawal.
May does not listen anyway, why get tainted by her failure?
(And Corbyn is 100 times more pro Brexit and respectful to the referendum result than May ever is or was. )
Only when her whole endeavour has been rejected by everyone, and her plans are in tatters and time has run out, is she now telling (not asking) that others are now allowed a say.
Just a ploy by her to try and deflect some blame when the history of this debacle is recorded.
Corbyn is correct to ignore this cynical move. Nothing can be salvaged at this late hour. He like the rest of us are resigned to the UK crashing out, rather than a orderly and controlled withdrawal.
May does not listen anyway, why get tainted by her failure?
(And Corbyn is 100 times more pro Brexit and respectful to the referendum result than May ever is or was. )
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The aim should be to remove “No Deal” as an option. However it’s wrong to make it w condition of taking in the first place. Apart from anything else it gives the impression he doesn’t actually want to talk. His goons have probably told him to stall until it’s too late. Because almost certainly “No Deal” is what they want.
It’s the SNP who look more like the official opposition these days. But there’s only 35 of them.
It’s the SNP who look more like the official opposition these days. But there’s only 35 of them.
Corbyn likes to hint he's respectful to the referendum but his demand that no-deal is ruled out, nails the lie; not to mention his party is clearly pushing for remain. It's obvious any possibility of an acceptable deal is being blocked, so he needs to face reality rather than harp on about getting one.
Meanwhile, the government had 2 years to create a gentle path to the beach but the landowners refused permission, so we use the ladder to get there.
A short period of adjustment is hardly a disaster, especially as those that need to adjust have had 2 years to sort out any necessary changes.
Meanwhile, the government had 2 years to create a gentle path to the beach but the landowners refused permission, so we use the ladder to get there.
A short period of adjustment is hardly a disaster, especially as those that need to adjust have had 2 years to sort out any necessary changes.
I suspect they're advocating a stalemate situation where they either get Brexit cancelled immediately, or continually ask for extensions that the EU won't be keen on unless there is one of their, "you gave the wrong answer last time, try again" anti-democracy re-votes. Again in the hope of overturning the already expressed will of the people who they hope might have been worn down and want it just to stop, or swayed by fake news fear stories about how the economy will bomb and we'll all be destitute.
IMO these are all ploys to disrespect the referendum and the people, and allow EU control of us.
IMO these are all ploys to disrespect the referendum and the people, and allow EU control of us.
"Barnier has said it is now up to the UK to say what they want."
Wah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, excuse me, must go wipe my eyes.
They are always claiming that. They know full well what is wanted, they've been refusing it for 2 years. No one has been fooled by it before and they aren't now. They just want to give the appearance that they aren't the stumbling block and are squeaky clean when the fact is that they insisted on wasting time on demanding compensation for us for going, and other irrelevances rather that agree the suggested border issue and some decent future trade arrangements.
Wah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, excuse me, must go wipe my eyes.
They are always claiming that. They know full well what is wanted, they've been refusing it for 2 years. No one has been fooled by it before and they aren't now. They just want to give the appearance that they aren't the stumbling block and are squeaky clean when the fact is that they insisted on wasting time on demanding compensation for us for going, and other irrelevances rather that agree the suggested border issue and some decent future trade arrangements.
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