Where's Jezza?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/may-says-her-door-remains-open-to-corbyn-for-brexit-talks-after-winning-no-confidence-vote-11609305
He's been wanting to get involved for years, now he gets the invite he's done a runner!

[Jackdaw33]

They say you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear but May seems to have managed to make a sow's ear out of a silk purse.

[anneasquith]

" had corbyn been PM. " he wasn't and probably never will be.

[ludwig]

Corbyn's stance is pathetic. If he wants to prevent 'no deal' he should turn up to the meetings and insist on it, not just refuse to attend.

No one is impressed. My Labour (and Corbyn) supporting friends have been extremely disappointed with his whole approach to Brexit.

[Old_Geezer]

IMO he's hoping to say, "Nothing to do with me", for short term gain; and long term dishonour, when it doesn't matter so much to him.

[Old_Geezer]

But to be fair, the fewer folk contributing but trying to insist on thwarting the decision to leave, possibly the better.

[naomi24]

The bottom line is Mrs May’s deal was overwhelmingly rejected by parliament. She has therefore asked leaders of all parties and other parliamentarians to meet with her to tell her what they DO want – which seems fair enough. Mr Corbyn’s high-handed, dictatorial demand that a valid option that he personally dislikes (regardless of the possibility that others involved might prefer to elect for that) be stricken from the agenda before he will talk to her is not only democratically unethical – it’s irresponsible. In his world it’s clearly his way or no way – and that simply isn’t rational or justifiable.

[youngmafbog]

"In his world it’s clearly his way or no way – and that simply isn’t rational or justifiable."

He should fit into the EU nicely then. Shame he actually hates th EU as much as I do ! We al know where COB's cross went after 30 years of hating the EU - and it wasnt on remain.

[jim360]

I agree that Corbyn should talk to Theresa May -- if the talks then go nowhere, that's a separate matter, but refusing to talk at all doesn't serve to advance anything.

// In his world it’s clearly his way or no way – and that simply isn’t rational or justifiable. //

Then again, in Theresa Ma's world too, which is part of the reason we got to this point in the first place. The fact that neither main party has a suitable and capable leader is seriously damaging to any prospects of resolving this.

[youngmafbog]

You forgot the EU also have the policy of their way or no way jim. Wonder why?

[jim360]

Perhaps because I don't think that's accurate. The EU have a stronger position and have made the best use of that, but (albeit in fairly small ways) they have given ground on various points.

But right now the crisis is in UK politics and that's the one to be resolved. If the UK then comes up with a sensible package, having rejected this Deal, and the EU rejects that in turn, then we can start to discuss their intransigence again.

[naomi24]

//Then again, in Theresa Ma's world too//

I wouldn't say that what she got from the EU constitutes 'her way'. Far from it. Additionally, her deal has been rejected. She's making efforts to address that.

[jim360]

It remains to be seen what emerges from these talks. Merely reaching out to other party leaders is a good start, but comes with two major caveats: she should have been doing this far sooner than with only a couple of months left; and it's not actually clear that she's going to change position even now.

Still, much as cross-party talks should have happened far, far sooner, now that they are happening I'm prepared to wait and see what comes of them before writing off May's efforts as an empty gesture.

[naomi24]

Who's written her efforts off as an empty gesture?

[youngmafbog]

"The EU have a stronger position and have made the best use of that, but (albeit in fairly small ways) they have given ground on various points. "

What nonsense, you clearly have no clue how to negotiate and I'm guessing you cant play cards very well either.

The EU has not budged at all, although why should they since we chose to go. May gave in to such an extent we were worse than being 'in'. As for a stronger position that is laughable. open your eyes and see the opportunities not the barriers. The EU do not have these opportunities, other countries hate having to deal with them and agreement s take a ridiculously long period of time.

[jim360]

Me, possibly, in the future.

[naomi24]

Oh, right.

[youngmafbog]

"writing off May's efforts as an empty gesture."

Are you saying that you think May will ignore any other points?

[jim360]

The EU *has* given ground on a few issues, and I'm happy to test my card skills against you whenever you like.

[youngmafbog]

Carry on if it makes you feel better.

You are after all always right and every one else is thick and wrong.

[jno]

May's insisting she won't change her stance on a customs union or a second referendum, so she's just as my-way-or-the-highway as Corbyn.

As I said earlier, she wants everyone to be flexible but herself, despite that fact that her way went absolulely nowhere. At least Corbyn's demand seems to have wide support in parliament. Hers has almost none but she's sticking to it. She may be good at diktats but she's a worthless negotiator - and yet that's what she says she's trying to do.